Clearify the aim assist debate

[Fiago]

i am opening this discussion since a lot of people seem to have no idea what they are really talking about when it comes to this topic and seem to be extremlly biased (as am i) in the discussion

i play apex since season 1 and the current state of the game, to me is the worst it has ever been in, i got 3k hours on this game with about 95% of these hours on mnk
i plugged in a controller once to see how it is, tried it for about two weeks and went back to mnk since it simply felt more natural to me
below it have put my thoughts into various topics i feel like and everyone is free to argue any of those points

first, the main problem for me with aimassist in Apex is that for me, an mnk player, there is nooption to opt out of this at all, i am forced into lobbies with you controller players, who btw, voluntarily join into pc lobbies, you choose to enable crossplay or you choose to plug in a controller into your pc setup.....both is your choice and thats fine but i dont have a choice in this, thats simply unfair to me and all the other mnk players

second, the argument that mnk has movement is srsly not valid, movement is really hard to learn and it takes a lot, A LOT, of time and energy to find the right timing and get consistency, barly 10% of mnk player use all those techniques there are on a regualr basis, but again you controller players choose to voluntarily play against mnk players with supposedly better movement, so if you wanna cry about this or use this as an argument, its just your own fault, you brought yourself into this position

third, it seems many controller players dont understand what an aimbot does, it aims automaticlly, now aimassist in apex is 40-60% of an aimbot, since in difference to games like COD or BF (those i have played, dunno about other games) the aimassist in apex activly aims for you which makes it at least a partial aimbot

fourth, not understanding this seems to be the main issue controller players have these days, use your brain for once and dont be offended by others opionion, its not an attack on you personlly as a controller player but rather aginst the unfair system....one side having a partial aimbot and the other side having no option but to live with it is simply put NOT FAIR

fifth, i dont have a problem with controller players in pc lobbies, as long as there is no obvious advantage to one side, which the currently is, the aimassist the way it works atm is broken and nothing less, the programm is a computer with 0ms reaction time, always working with perfect consistency, which is simply impossible to achieve or replicate for a human on mnk or any input without an automated assistant

i am open to criticism on my points and i believe that my points reflect the view on a lot of mnk players in apex

to every controller player reading this, think about it, its also not meant as an attack on your choice of input or controller in general, its just a describtion of how i feel about the game and its current state as well as the general debate about aimassist

to every mnk player, i advise you to plug in a controller hop into firing range and try the aimassist yourself, you will see it works like a PARTIAL aimbot, not an aimbot as in a cheating software

if anyone has made it this far, GJ to you.i didnt expect this one to be this long myself, i just got into a rythm once i have stared i guess :DD

[Drush]

NOTHING to clarify - other games disable or nerf AA in mixed lobbies.
This game is the ONLY GAME IN HISTORY where pros swap to controller in because it's OP.

It's a joke.

[Fiago]

Originalmente postado por TwerkyMerky:

Originalmente postado por the last of the mnks:

yet you came in and had to comment :D

also i never said aimassist is an aimbot, so yet another one who doesnt bother reading the entire topic before commenting^^

“Aim assist is 40-60% aimbot” your words not mine. Like I said just another aim assist is aimbot thread…

so 40-60% is the same as 100% to you? If you would have read 2 sentence further i wrote partial-aimbot but fine you dont seem like someone interesting

and its not suppossed to be just another aimbot thread since that would be cheating while aimassist is totally legal

sad some people dont invest their mental capacity but still participate......

[7xSven]

Originalmente postado por the last of the mnks:

Originalmente postado por TwerkyMerky:

“Aim assist is 40-60% aimbot” your words not mine. Like I said just another aim assist is aimbot thread…

so 40-60% is the same as 100% to you? If you would have read 2 sentence further i wrote partial-aimbot but fine you dont seem like someone interesting

and its not suppossed to be just another aimbot thread since that would be cheating while aimassist is totally legal

sad some people dont invest their mental capacity but still participate......

Some people dont invest their mental capacity because they don't have that

[Fiago]

Originalmente postado por 7xSven:

Originalmente postado por the last of the mnks:

so 40-60% is the same as 100% to you? If you would have read 2 sentence further i wrote partial-aimbot but fine you dont seem like someone interesting

and its not suppossed to be just another aimbot thread since that would be cheating while aimassist is totally legal

sad some people dont invest their mental capacity but still participate......

Some people dont invest their mental capacity because they don't have that

nah, thats not what i meant to say

[🖤]

foq rollers

[Cold_Blade]

Originalmente postado por the last of the mnks:

Originalmente postado por Cold_Blade:

your "discussion" is crying about aim assist being aim bot.

you explained nothing about how aim assist is in the game besides again, just saying its a magical tool that somehow gives people aimbot.

and now your just going on the offensive and insulting without even trying to refute.

why even come here to complain if your not even going to have a meaningful discussion, on top of being butt hurt over the first person that doesn't agree with your spur of the moment rage rant from probably dying in a match then thinking everyones hacking lmao

also, you seem to have not read the whole thing as well....i never said aimassist is an aimbot, i said it works like a partial aimbot, which is simply true lol....everyone can see that.....you go into the firing range losely aim towards a bot and the game will activly move your crosshair.....thats the definition of an aimbot dude.....the difference to an actual aimbot is obvious, it doesnt stick to the bot all the time

nice to see you agree thats its only hipfire in close range. this doesn't work in long range nor mid range, also stops completely when you aim at all.. maybe try testing more before attempting a argument.

and 0ms reaction time?.. holy god almighty, tell me you never even tried controller without telling me. even using the best controller (ps4) the lowest input latency over Bluetooth is 3.5ms.. and no putting the sensitivity even higher would just ruin all your aiming, and since you dont know.. higher sensitivity makes aim assist pointless as when your in hipfire range it would slow your look speed when a enemy is in view, which also backfires if your trying to fight 2 people up close.

pretty sure the only real "aimbot" aim assist I seen in gaming was one of the halos games, literally the moment you aimed the crosshair would go to their heads

[[iwnl] SixSamurai]

aim assist has 0 reaction time, stop coping so hard that aim assist isnt op

[76561199284959613]

Originalmente postado por Cold_Blade:

for someone to claim they played a long time, this guy sure doesn't know crossplay isnt a "option". not much of a debate either when it boils down to "controller aimbot, mouse and keyboard doesn't have a advantage".. lol nor do you seem to know what aim assist does.
unless theres some magical tweaking setting im not seeing thats giving players perfect aim, it only helps in close range with hipfire by slightly moving the camera to the enemies movement, this gets tossed out the window for mid-long range and if you aim at all, though doesn't even help that often as people spam crouch, jump, move side to side all while perfectly shooting you in the face on mouse and keyboard. you literally cant even compare high precision aiming with mouse and the amount of movement you can do with keyboard vs a controller player that does everything slower

as a real player thats been playing this since season 1, I can turn off aim assist and still do everything i do in the same way, even played a few times on mouse and keyboard.. while i couldnt aim for crap since im a long time controller player with bad hand cramps.. I noticed it was so much easier to dodge peoples bullets lol. god i wish there was a option to play console only, without pc players the game was fair and most players felt like I was fighting toddlers :apex_lifeline:

Toddles play console that's why it felt like that, like come on dude. you have never turned aim assist off bro bro and if u did u def noticed it. Aim assist is a thing for a reason this thread is a thing for a reason. you got 2 whole ass arms use them on m&k for a month play apex and then come back and see if u have the same attitude.

[Very funny haha]

hmmmm same old aim assist ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ , came here to check how apex legends going since I no longer play this stupid ♥♥♥♥ . recommend you all to leave this crap too good for mental well being hahaha

[Lega]

I don't have a problem with cross-play because it was fine for several years because only a few squads had controller players.

Today, and in the last 1,5 year, everything has changed.

Cheating is bad enough but this also was playable but the combination of PC controller players with aim assist and cheating is just too much.

The worst point was some months ago.

I got killed by the number 1 pred in ranked and his movement was awful but his aim assist carried him to place 1.

Mostly, I don't need to see the profile anymore because I feel right in the moment I die whats going on.

Maybe movement gods are able to outplay them but it's my job to be a god in movement, which I can't btw, just to compete with players who couldn't aim like that while using mnk?

I don't think so...

[KaeseKuchen]

there is nothing to discuss. since years everyone knows in shooters MnK > Controller in any aspect.

I play myself here on steam with a controller and can confirm that there NO aim assist for controller user or its at least its deactivated for my account ? I am not sure about the recoil on pc but you have definitly on console a higher recoil compared to pc.

I dont see the point to discuss about aim assist for controller when there is a bigger problem with the game. Cheaters in every lobby. Some dont even know that there cheats applied to their account/game. Every title you or will get is meaningless in this game. Complaining about aim assist for controller is a skill issue or aiming on the wrong target group.

[Lega]

Originalmente postado por KaeseKuchen:

there is nothing to discuss. since years everyone knows in shooters MnK > Controller in any aspect.

I play myself here on steam with a controller and can confirm that there NO aim assist for controller user or its at least its deactivated for my account ? I am not sure about the recoil on pc but you have definitly on console a higher recoil compared to pc.

I dont see the point to discuss about aim assist for controller when there is a bigger problem with the game. Cheaters in every lobby. Some dont even know that there cheats applied to their account/game. Every title you or will get is meaningless in this game. Complaining about aim assist for controller is a skill issue or aiming on the wrong target group.

There is aim assist mate, that's why I can tell right in the moment I die, "Yep, controller".

Check your controller settings and look for "Target Compensation".

If you don't use aim assist, don't feel named and it is a problem we need to talk about because it makes Apex even worse together with the cheating issue.

It's not as bad as it was few months ago but still a problem.

[Fiago]

Originalmente postado por Cold_Blade:

Originalmente postado por the last of the mnks:

also, you seem to have not read the whole thing as well....i never said aimassist is an aimbot, i said it works like a partial aimbot, which is simply true lol....everyone can see that.....you go into the firing range losely aim towards a bot and the game will activly move your crosshair.....thats the definition of an aimbot dude.....the difference to an actual aimbot is obvious, it doesnt stick to the bot all the time

nice to see you agree thats its only hipfire in close range. this doesn't work in long range nor mid range, also stops completely when you aim at all.. maybe try testing more before attempting a argument.

and 0ms reaction time?.. holy god almighty, tell me you never even tried controller without telling me. even using the best controller (ps4) the lowest input latency over Bluetooth is 3.5ms.. and no putting the sensitivity even higher would just ruin all your aiming, and since you dont know.. higher sensitivity makes aim assist pointless as when your in hipfire range it would slow your look speed when a enemy is in view, which also backfires if your trying to fight 2 people up close.

pretty sure the only real "aimbot" aim assist I seen in gaming was one of the halos games, literally the moment you aimed the crosshair would go to their heads

dude wtf are you talkng about? I did not agree with any of your points.....there is always aim assist, especially if you ads....saying otherwise makes you delussional....what is it with you people

if you cant have a discussion, that dont start one or in your case join one

the aimassist is not in your controller dude, its in the game.....its in the code....again wth are you talking about? Check your facts....

Also higher sens does not make aim assist pointless and to say otherwise is simply lying to yourself which i cant change since you are obviously either extremly biased, not informed or just mad that people are calling aim assist out or maybe a combination of all those.....i dont know but you are certainly wasting wasting everyones time with your nonsense comments dude......

[Fiago]

Originalmente postado por KaeseKuchen:

there is nothing to discuss. since years everyone knows in shooters MnK > Controller in any aspect.

I play myself here on steam with a controller and can confirm that there NO aim assist for controller user or its at least its deactivated for my account ? I am not sure about the recoil on pc but you have definitly on console a higher recoil compared to pc.

I dont see the point to discuss about aim assist for controller when there is a bigger problem with the game. Cheaters in every lobby. Some dont even know that there cheats applied to their account/game. Every title you or will get is meaningless in this game. Complaining about aim assist for controller is a skill issue or aiming on the wrong target group.

dude what is this comment???? There is no aim asisst? Are you actually serious rn?

you might not have activated it, in which case you dont need to feel adressed by this whole discussion......

again people who come up with "the aim assist is a skill issue" argument seem to have either not read the full discussion, are just here to troll or have actually no idea what they are talking about.....

cheaters are a problem but thats not the topic of this thread....not so hard to figure this out

[Cold_Blade]

Originalmente postado por the last of the mnks:

Originalmente postado por Cold_Blade:

nice to see you agree thats its only hipfire in close range. this doesn't work in long range nor mid range, also stops completely when you aim at all.. maybe try testing more before attempting a argument.

and 0ms reaction time?.. holy god almighty, tell me you never even tried controller without telling me. even using the best controller (ps4) the lowest input latency over Bluetooth is 3.5ms.. and no putting the sensitivity even higher would just ruin all your aiming, and since you dont know.. higher sensitivity makes aim assist pointless as when your in hipfire range it would slow your look speed when a enemy is in view, which also backfires if your trying to fight 2 people up close.

pretty sure the only real "aimbot" aim assist I seen in gaming was one of the halos games, literally the moment you aimed the crosshair would go to their heads

dude wtf are you talkng about? I did not agree with any of your points.....there is always aim assist, especially if you ads....saying otherwise makes you delussional....what is it with you people

if you cant have a discussion, that dont start one or in your case join one

the aimassist is not in your controller dude, its in the game.....its in the code....again wth are you talking about? Check your facts....

Also higher sens does not make aim assist pointless and to say otherwise is simply lying to yourself which i cant change since you are obviously either extremly biased, not informed or just mad that people are calling aim assist out or maybe a combination of all those.....i dont know but you are certainly wasting wasting everyones time with your nonsense comments dude......

I can see you clearly lack any reading comprehension skills and probably wont actually try using a controller to see the difference of what your trying to parrot from baseless assumptions, but by all means.. keep trying to tell the player that actually has deep experience on controller how "aimbot aim assist" works

Not extremely biased, you've just failed at saying anything that would prove or disprove anything in this rage rant thread "discussion" of yours. You have only said "boohoo, aimbot, 0ms reaction, your a dumb, a troll, read the discussion again, your mad bro". I'm all ears, wheres your claim at debunking what i'm saying besides "nuh uh, your wrong"..

You cant even tell me why mouse and keyboard would be inferior in any way besides saying movement takes awhile to learn.. so what? controller does too, its not a magical tool that gives you 100% accurate aiming and movement skills, if that was the case i wouldn't miss half my shots and my random que teammates probably wouldn't be so terrible 60% of the time lol

But hey, if you do ever try, put look at 6 and ads on 5, play for months then write me a real review. If nothing else you've probably just fought more cheaters than controller ones and mixed the 2 because the game does feel like it has more now than any time before