Are they ever going to fine tune the aim assist situation?

[SaltyWeasel]

I used to play Apex Legends for 2 years on PS4 when I didn't have a gaming PC and I have to admit, playing with terrible frames and a controller is not as easy as some make it out to be.

The problem lays in the the part where PC players plug in a controller and can play with high frames and use certain tools to literally have an aim bot do the job for them, while at the same time being able to have MnK movement.

Its like doing le tour de france with a wind up engine in your bike, its not an equal field when 1 person has to practice there aim day after day to create muscle memory while the other person just locks on there target.

Playing on an old gen console with most of the time 40fps and watered down graphics and no tools to do mnk movements should indeed have aim assists and some kind of help.
But right now the entire e-sport scene switched over to controller, which in it self says enough, PC controller players have to much advantage, and on top of that they take the advantage away from people on consoles the advantage was created for in the first place.

[SaltyWeasel]

Originally posted by Dr. Dro:

It should be clear that no, they won't.

The solution would be to get rid of aim assist AND of illegal movement that controller players cannot do (such as wall bouncing, binding jump to mousewheel, etc.)

Cry me a river and get good if u do either tbhw

The thing is that controller players on PC can do these movement teqniques, that is the entire issue.
If people on there 40fps ps4 have aim assist playing against PC players running the game on stable high frames there wouldn't be an issue.

Again like I stated in my OP the issue lays when PC players abuse the systems that where intended for people on console to be abused by using key layouts that make them able to do PC movement + have the aim assist.

I think the solution could be to remove aim assist for PC players that use a controller and let the console players keep it.
That way there would be a trade of and it wouldn't be an and+and+and.
It has nothing to do with getting good, right now it has to do with who plays on controller and who doesn't.

All or nearly all e-sport players switched to controller, if getting good was the issue that wouldn't have been the case.
So now it is use an controller or play with an disadvantage, which is stupid since we are talking about the PC version.

What is next? People tricking there mnk to be registration as a controller so they can play with aim assist while playing mnk?
Respawn has to put a line somewhere and they seem to procrastinate this because they don't want to anger a part of the player base.

[Bing Chilling]

it's a trade off
mouse is far faster and easier to make fine movements
with a far higher skill ceiling. If you are good with a mouse
you'll beat 99% of controller users

controller has better movement over a keyboard and smoother motion
and a little bit of aim assist, but a much lower skill ceiling, you can really only
get so good with a controller. Especially considering you can only
turn so fast, you're at a disadvantage over a mouse all day

with all that said, some people can get cracked on a controller
but mouse is just the superior choice in every way.

[SaltyWeasel]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

it's a trade off
mouse is far faster and easier to make fine movements
with a far higher skill ceiling. If you are good with a mouse
you'll beat 99% of controller users

controller has better movement over a keyboard and smoother motion
and a little bit of aim assist, but a much lower skill ceiling, you can really only
get so good with a controller. Especially considering you can only
turn so fast, you're at a disadvantage over a mouse all day

with all that said, some people can get cracked on a controller
but mouse is just the superior choice in every way.

3rd time I am going to say this, then explain why the entire e-sport scene switched to controller?
Why would people risk missing out on millions of prize money by switching to controller when originally they where mnk players?

[ZglenQa]

Originally posted by Dr. Dro:

Originally posted by SaltyWeasel:

The thing is that controller players on PC can do these movement teqniques, that is the entire issue.
If people on there 40fps ps4 have aim assist playing against PC players running the game on stable high frames there wouldn't be an issue.

Again like I stated in my OP the issue lays when PC players abuse the systems that where intended for people on console to be abused by using key layouts that make them able to do PC movement + have the aim assist.

I think the solution could be to remove aim assist for PC players that use a controller and let the console players keep it.
That way there would be a trade of and it wouldn't be an and+and+and.
It has nothing to do with getting good, right now it has to do with who plays on controller and who doesn't.

All or nearly all e-sport players switched to controller, if getting good was the issue that wouldn't have been the case.
So now it is use an controller or play with an disadvantage, which is stupid since we are talking about the PC version.

What is next? People tricking there mnk to be registration as a controller so they can play with aim assist while playing mnk?
Respawn has to put a line somewhere and they seem to procrastinate this because they don't want to anger a part of the player base.

Just get rid of it all, anger the player base if it must be, they wont stop playing the game anyway! And that's not "coming up next", it literally happens already: enter ReWASD...

Isn't like some new games have mnk aim assist? To fight back controller players...

Problem with apex is that main skill in all gunfights is "tracking" aka following target with your reticle. And that's the issue. Aim assist was made in first place to help you "lock on target" but tracking had to be done by player itself. Thing is aim assist is so strong nowadays that after initial lock, it remains locked on target and simply negates "tracking" as a skill.

Tbh. sad truth about fps games nowadays is that there is no skill diffrence in them literally. You can put aside all aiming skills like tracking or snapping, grab controller, kick your legs with flip flops on top of your desk and kill other players who haven't switched to controller yet or start playing tarkov (there will never be a controller support, but there are a lot cheaters).

I'm saying this from perspective of some1 who played SOCOM on PS2. If you have ever played multiplayer there then YOU KNOW that controller doesn't need aim assist at all

[Pehoooo]

Isn't like some new games have mnk aim assist? To fight back controller players...

Problem with apex is that main skill in all gunfights is "tracking" aka following target with your reticle. And that's the issue. Aim assist was made in first place to help you "lock on target" but tracking had to be done by player itself. Thing is aim assist is so strong nowadays that after initial lock, it remains locked on target and simply negates "tracking" as a skill.

Tbh. sad truth about fps games nowadays is that there is no skill diffrence in them literally. You can put aside all aiming skills like tracking or snapping, grab controller, kick your legs with flip flops on top of your desk and kill other players who haven't switched to controller yet or start playing tarkov (there will never be a controller support, but there are a lot cheaters).

I'm saying this from perspective of some1 who played SOCOM on PS2. If you have ever played multiplayer there then YOU KNOW that controller doesn't need aim assist at all

[Michael Transactions]

I wish apex would just have a mouse and key only que. When most pro players are using controllers (people who are already beasts with mouse and keyboard) you know its a problem.

[Bing Chilling]

Originally posted by SaltyWeasel:

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

it's a trade off
mouse is far faster and easier to make fine movements
with a far higher skill ceiling. If you are good with a mouse
you'll beat 99% of controller users

controller has better movement over a keyboard and smoother motion
and a little bit of aim assist, but a much lower skill ceiling, you can really only
get so good with a controller. Especially considering you can only
turn so fast, you're at a disadvantage over a mouse all day

with all that said, some people can get cracked on a controller
but mouse is just the superior choice in every way.

3rd time I am going to say this, then explain why the entire e-sport scene switched to controller?
Why would people risk missing out on millions of prize money by switching to controller when originally they where mnk players?

you may be right that pro league switched to controller (i don't follow the pro league scene)

But my point still stands that it's a trade off.
if you don't agree then that's fine. Controllers just don't allow the same
amount of precision and speed of a mouse. You can get good with a controller
i'm not denying that, and it may even be easier to do so in Apex
but a mouse user will always have an advantage because how accurate and fast
a mouse is. i wont repeat myself as i stand by what i said earlier.

and again if you don't agree that's fine.

[SaltyWeasel]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

Originally posted by SaltyWeasel:

3rd time I am going to say this, then explain why the entire e-sport scene switched to controller?
Why would people risk missing out on millions of prize money by switching to controller when originally they where mnk players?

you may be right that pro league switched to controller (i don't follow the pro league scene)

But my point still stands that it's a trade off.
if you don't agree then that's fine. Controllers just don't allow the same
amount of precision and speed of a mouse. You can get good with a controller
i'm not denying that, and it may even be easier to do so in Apex
but a mouse user will always have an advantage because how accurate and fast
a mouse is. i wont repeat myself as i stand by what i said earlier.

and again if you don't agree that's fine.

I don't disagree with you on that a mnk has a way more advantages it does, after playing 2 years on a PS4 I have to admit I was happy I could finally play on PC again.
I also don't disagree that controllers can use some support or even aim assist.
The question is how much aim assist is to much, and I think the answer is, when an entire e-sport scene switches over to an other input device.

[natural disaster]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

but a mouse user will always have an advantage because how accurate

the vast majority of mouse players are going to lose a close range fight to a controller player with 301, car, 99, doubletap eva, something like that. for years now i've watched golem-like silver level controller players with 100% full mag accuracy in close range fights - basically no mouse player under masters can do this with something resembling the same level of consistency that 40-60% aim assist provides the moment the pad is in your hands.

the only option mouse players have to have any chance of consistently beating mediocre controller players (let alone good ones) in a 1v1 is to spend hundreds of hours grinding aim in cod/aimlabs/whatever, and even then you are constantly rolling the dice against people *that aren't going to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ miss*. hope you don't make any mistakes.

[𝕬𝖗𝖎𝖊𝖌𝖆𝖓]

The game is garbage because mouse and keyboard is literally useless against aim assist when it comes to close range. The game is catered towards re**rded idiots with 0 aim now

[i like em young]

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

it's a trade off
mouse is far faster and easier to make fine movements
with a far higher skill ceiling. If you are good with a mouse
you'll beat 99% of controller users

controller has better movement over a keyboard and smoother motion
and a little bit of aim assist, but a much lower skill ceiling, you can really only
get so good with a controller. Especially considering you can only
turn so fast, you're at a disadvantage over a mouse all day

with all that said, some people can get cracked on a controller
but mouse is just the superior choice in every way.

this is why console's and pc players should never meet in the same server..

whoever came up with the crossplay idea for a comp shooter should be shot..

this should only be a thing for coop games

[SaltyWeasel]

Originally posted by sumdude:

Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

it's a trade off
mouse is far faster and easier to make fine movements
with a far higher skill ceiling. If you are good with a mouse
you'll beat 99% of controller users

controller has better movement over a keyboard and smoother motion
and a little bit of aim assist, but a much lower skill ceiling, you can really only
get so good with a controller. Especially considering you can only
turn so fast, you're at a disadvantage over a mouse all day

with all that said, some people can get cracked on a controller
but mouse is just the superior choice in every way.

this is why console's and pc players should never meet in the same server..

whoever came up with the crossplay idea for a comp shooter should be shot..

this should only be a thing for coop games

Just wish they would have focused on cross progression instead, that way if you want to play with mnk you could just log in on a PC and still have your stuff.

[kyle]

Not everybody on PC plays with 144hz, there are tones of people who are lucky to get 60fps.

[LongJoy]

Originally posted by ZglenQa:

Originally posted by Dr. Dro:

Just get rid of it all, anger the player base if it must be, they wont stop playing the game anyway! And that's not "coming up next", it literally happens already: enter ReWASD...

Isn't like some new games have mnk aim assist? To fight back controller players...

Problem with apex is that main skill in all gunfights is "tracking" aka following target with your reticle. And that's the issue. Aim assist was made in first place to help you "lock on target" but tracking had to be done by player itself. Thing is aim assist is so strong nowadays that after initial lock, it remains locked on target and simply negates "tracking" as a skill.

Tbh. sad truth about fps games nowadays is that there is no skill diffrence in them literally. You can put aside all aiming skills like tracking or snapping, grab controller, kick your legs with flip flops on top of your desk and kill other players who haven't switched to controller yet or start playing tarkov (there will never be a controller support, but there are a lot cheaters).

I'm saying this from perspective of some1 who played SOCOM on PS2. If you have ever played multiplayer there then YOU KNOW that controller doesn't need aim assist at all :misfit:

But back then it was pure Ps2..
Nowadays it's able that pc players tangle with consoleplayers...