Thoughts on Vantage

[Mr_Zayder]

Hey there, quick thoughts about Vantage :

Her ability, while convenient could be slightly better by improving the bat's speed and charging the jump faster.
Another idea could have a flight mode on the bat that keeps it constantly 40m ahead and leave an option to quickly move, so you don't have to relocate it in front of you every 5s.

Her ult is absolutely garbage. It's the weakest sniper in the game and is useless. If I have to bother hitting an enemy 3 times with a sniper, i'm gonna take a charge rifle / sentinel AND a legend with a useful ult.

The ult could :
- Highlight the target for the team for 10s same way Seer does (displaying HP/Shield)
- Do more damage (it's ludicrous to do barely more damage than a lame ass longbow), a 3030 with a skullpiercer does more than that.
- be hitscan
- have more ammo
- charge faster
(not all these at once naturally)

Legend is somewhat okay, but considering how they let newcastle be the least picked legend on his season, Vantage looks like another bottom tier legend.
So far, you're better off with a pathfinder and a sniper than vantage (which breaks my heart as a sniper enjoyer)

EDIT : Another option could be to have ultimate accelerant recharge 35% of the TOTAL ammo. So they become somewhat less useless and can act as "ammo pack" for the ult.

[cuervojones85]

I do think you should be able to shoot the bat to disable her tactic.

[✦𝒱𝒶𝓅𝑜𝓇]

I would second you need to learn to play this legend.

Very strong right now, I would vote for nerfs before buffs, but to each their own.

Ult is super strong with ulti chargers, getting a lot of ammo for this relatively quickly. It also does a lot of damage for a skill that is meant to provide your team with Seer-esque wallhacks on everyone you hit at any range. which is actually insane.

you can also use the passive to provide more detailed information- battle important information- to help decide wheter you engage, and how you engage, than just "use scope lol"

the tactical provides very strong upwards momentum, I think being able to see the bat is a good balancing move, it makes the move a little more predictable than a well used path hook. The inconsistency is when on some backgrounds, it is very easy to see cute bat, and on other backgrounds it becomes invisible.


Using tactical to engage is not the primary intent, maybe tertiary. Using ult to kill is not primary intent, maybe secondary.

[LIMP BISQUICK]

Publicado originalmente por Mr_Zayder:

If you really can't see a middle line between "lame sniper" and "One shot people, then you're just playing fool.

The point is that the ult, does more or less damage than a weapon you find everywhere on the map and that everyone can pick up. That's it, there are dozens of ways to make it actually worthwhile, but at the moment, take a pathfinder and a sentinel and voilà, you even get an extra zipline for your team to relocate. (only downside to this is that then you don't apply the damage buff for the team *oh no, anyway*)

I honestly feel like people are asking for that, not just you. A Sentinel can be found on the ground, can hit for like 175 when charged right? So if it doesn't deal more damage than that then what's the point. I'm just saying there are several perks with that sniper, that ability is strong af. You can just run a volt and PK, whip out the sniper when you need long range, like damn... Path can't carry 3 weapons. Path can't always grapple up when lack of obstacles. Once people get used her delay, Her tact is easier to pull off for casuals to make a cool play or gain advantage in positioning.

People thought Horizon was busted for going up like an elevator... No, many don't realize the potential yet.

[immdev]

Publicado originalmente por Mr_Zayder:

Publicado originalmente por immdev:

lol. I secured some kills with her ult. It's wat easier, than with regular snipers. Just line two shots and it's damage already above sentinel.

Sentinel Body shot does 70. 2 Shots = 140 whereas Vantage's Ult is 150.
So 10dmg extra or a more useful ult ? Choice is easy.

Her ult super useful. It's basically a free weapon slot. Sure you can carry a sentinel, I prefer to carry real guns.

[JKjoker]

She sucks but could easily be reworked

Get rid of the bat, have the q work as a jumpad. Having to set it up and then hold q feels so bad when valk, horizon, path and octane can just tap a button to do the same

The sniper should always be available and use sniper ammo, have the ult be limited speciality ammo for the weapon. So she sort of have 3 weapon slots.

For the ult function, more damage is useless, when would that be useful ? If you can keep hitting you might as well use a higher damage sniper, if you and a teammate are shooting at the target then it will die in a fraction of a second regardless of the buff, what does it add?. Slow down and shared wallhacking would be far more uselful. Removing the damage buff would also allow them to up the sniper damage to between the longbow and sentinel

[Gjeaneman]

skill issue, learn to use her

[Badass_Ben]

She honestly feels slightly oppressive
Maybe just with EVERYONE running her

But people forget that it means she can have 2 cqc weapons (r99 and a Pk) and STILL be able to whip out a respectable long-range weapon
While the damage itself maybe less than incredible, people forget marked targets take EXTRA additional daamge

[oxide]

i like her a lot. 2k hours in apex.

[JKjoker]

Publicado originalmente por Badass_Ben:

She honestly feels slightly oppressive
Maybe just with EVERYONE running her

But people forget that it means she can have 2 cqc weapons (r99 and a Pk) and STILL be able to whip out a respectable long-range weapon
While the damage itself maybe less than incredible, people forget marked targets take EXTRA additional daamge

You get 5 rounds of a subpar sniper rifle and you are done, its not reliable at all, Its better than nothing, sure, but ULTIMATE level ? no way. I would rather it had more ammo/use sniper ammo and had mid level damage (between longbow and sentinel) and no damage buff so you can actually use it as a third weapon slot. How does that compare with Sheila ? which you can then place and SHARE with teammates

At least let her carry 2 ultimate accelerators and have it fully charge the rifle like with wattson

They managed to create a worse ultimate than the wrecking ball (which was buffed recently btw)

And the tactical, while it looks great on paper, they implemented it horribly

[Gjeaneman]

Publicado originalmente por JKjoker:

Publicado originalmente por Badass_Ben:

She honestly feels slightly oppressive
Maybe just with EVERYONE running her

But people forget that it means she can have 2 cqc weapons (r99 and a Pk) and STILL be able to whip out a respectable long-range weapon
While the damage itself maybe less than incredible, people forget marked targets take EXTRA additional daamge

You get 5 rounds of a subpar sniper rifle and you are done, its not reliable at all, Its better than nothing, sure, but ULTIMATE level ? no way. I would rather it had more ammo/use sniper ammo and had mid level damage (between longbow and sentinel) and no damage buff so you can actually use it as a third weapon slot. How does that compare with Sheila ? which you can then place and SHARE with teammates

At least let her carry 2 ultimate accelerators and have it fully charge the rifle like with wattson

They managed to create a worse ultimate than the wrecking ball (which was buffed recently btw)

And the tactical, while it looks great on paper, they implemented it horribly

skill issue, can kill someone with your ult from 100s of meters away

[JKjoker]

Publicado originalmente por Gjeaneman:

Publicado originalmente por JKjoker:

You get 5 rounds of a subpar sniper rifle and you are done, its not reliable at all, Its better than nothing, sure, but ULTIMATE level ? no way. I would rather it had more ammo/use sniper ammo and had mid level damage (between longbow and sentinel) and no damage buff so you can actually use it as a third weapon slot. How does that compare with Sheila ? which you can then place and SHARE with teammates

At least let her carry 2 ultimate accelerators and have it fully charge the rifle like with wattson

They managed to create a worse ultimate than the wrecking ball (which was buffed recently btw)

And the tactical, while it looks great on paper, they implemented it horribly

skill issue, can kill someone with your ult from 100s of meters away

You can do the same with any regular sniper or you could down entire teams with other legends ults

[Gjeaneman]

Publicado originalmente por JKjoker:

Publicado originalmente por Gjeaneman:

skill issue, can kill someone with your ult from 100s of meters away

You can do the same with any regular sniper or you could down entire teams with other legends ults

go ahead and kill the entire enemy squad with mirages ult, go ahead, I'll wait while I sit here with 3 weapons instead of 2

[✦𝒱𝒶𝓅𝑜𝓇]

Publicado originalmente por Gjeaneman:

Publicado originalmente por JKjoker:

You can do the same with any regular sniper or you could down entire teams with other legends ults

go ahead and kill the entire enemy squad with mirages ult, go ahead, I'll wait while I sit here with 3 weapons instead of 2

Mirage doesn't need 3 weapons silly, Mirage has Class, Style, Pizzaz and Jazz.

Mirage Beard +10 Charisma

also, yes. joker calling the easiest to use sniper in the game "not reliable" is clearly a skill issue in that part of their opinion.

[Syntheticat24]

shes fun and pretty balanced when 10 squads arent running her

[Mr_Zayder]

Publicado originalmente por Gjeaneman:

Publicado originalmente por JKjoker:

You can do the same with any regular sniper or you could down entire teams with other legends ults

go ahead and kill the entire enemy squad with mirages ult, go ahead, I'll wait while I sit here with 3 weapons instead of 2

Go ahead, kill the entire enemy team with the 5 bullets from Vantage Ult from hundred of meters, oh wait you wouldn't be able to (minimum 2 bullets per person).
You know how it would be possible ? With a charged sentinel ;-)

Did you ever play Apex or are you just making up scenarios to fit your argument ?