Thoughts on Vantage

[Mr_Zayder]

Hey there, quick thoughts about Vantage :

Her ability, while convenient could be slightly better by improving the bat's speed and charging the jump faster.
Another idea could have a flight mode on the bat that keeps it constantly 40m ahead and leave an option to quickly move, so you don't have to relocate it in front of you every 5s.

Her ult is absolutely garbage. It's the weakest sniper in the game and is useless. If I have to bother hitting an enemy 3 times with a sniper, i'm gonna take a charge rifle / sentinel AND a legend with a useful ult.

The ult could :
- Highlight the target for the team for 10s same way Seer does (displaying HP/Shield)
- Do more damage (it's ludicrous to do barely more damage than a lame ass longbow), a 3030 with a skullpiercer does more than that.
- be hitscan
- have more ammo
- charge faster
(not all these at once naturally)

Legend is somewhat okay, but considering how they let newcastle be the least picked legend on his season, Vantage looks like another bottom tier legend.
So far, you're better off with a pathfinder and a sniper than vantage (which breaks my heart as a sniper enjoyer)

EDIT : Another option could be to have ultimate accelerant recharge 35% of the TOTAL ammo. So they become somewhat less useless and can act as "ammo pack" for the ult.

[Shimazu]

Just a copy paste from the other thread i commented.

Vantage is so bad. The passive is Like ????. Just use the scope?

The tactical always gives you away. When i see the bat i know vantage is in a 50m Radius of it and you can spot it from like 500m away with 1x scope.

Ultimate is cool but that massive Laser beam gives you even more away than the tactical. I also feel like Most people havent realized the fact that you have a massive laser beam revealing you position.

Pickrate gonna be like 1.5-2.5% soon

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Muschko-Alfons:

Just a copy paste from the other thread i commented.

Vantage is so bad. The passive is Like ????. Just use the scope?

The tactical always gives you away. When i see the bat i know vantage is in a 50m Radius of it and you can spot it from like 500m away with 1x scope.

Ultimate is cool but that massive Laser beam gives you even more away than the tactical. I also feel like Most people havent realized the fact that you have a massive laser beam revealing you position.

Pickrate gonna be like 1.5-2.5% soon

1,5% sounds optimist lol. Even Newcastle is better and he already is at 1,6%.
The only useful info of the passive is to know how many teammates and their shields the enemies have.

Apex visibly hates snipers :sadge:

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[Phenon]

I agree with this. The ultimate (while very cool and unique) is just not very good. The massive laser will instantly tell enemy's where you are and it immediately rules out 1, 2, 3'ing with another teamate that is rocking a sentinel or a longbow. My main surprise is that I thought it would ALWAYS highlight your enemy when you hit them but that is not even build into the ability...

The tactical I just hate... From the first time I saw it I always thought it was clunky, was just
"tactical version of valkyrie's ult" or "lame version of pathfinders grapple"
Like, WHY WOULD SHE NEED A BAT TO ACTIVATE HER JETPACKS???

All around just a bad legend. Cool design with a nice pet but the uniqueness that she brings gets ruled out immediately by how easy it to spot the
"sneaky sniper character"

[ZorkFireStorm]

Yeah, vantage is bad also her tactical is so cluncky and not good during firefights. And only good to reach the high ground if there is no enemy.

It's just cryptos drone + loba bracelet but with a wierd delay = vantage tactical

Also vantage tactical is pretty useless to use it effective in arenas. Most of the arenas maps are small and there is barelly high places (this is why revanant climb passive is useless too in arenas)

[Rock]

I would remove the laser from her ultimate. Make it so only your team mates can see it (this would help ''1,2,3'' synch shotting with randoms and premades alike for target acquisition). Target that get's hit with the ultimate will be highlighted to the entire team but only when there is line of sight per player. Vantage would only get wallhack effect.

Echo ? (the bat) needs a buff(s). Like mentioned you can spot the little thing fairly easily and that gives away Vantage. Cuz you know she be around 50m of Echo.

One idea: Make Echo turn invisible to enemies after it's hovering stationary for couple or so seconds (kinda like Mirage invisibility). Recalling it won't remove invisibility effect.

Second idea: Keep it visible but Echo spots enemies within 50m that are below it for Vantage only (no spot warning for enemy, you didn't see the bat at that distance that's on you). Spot method/style would be that of a Seer ult.

[LIMP BISQUICK]

I've not played with her much but she definitely doesn't need all these suggested buffs, I think people just need to learn to play her... She is strong as is. Her mobility is quite insane. The delay time is awkward but necessary, although I wouldn't mind if they remove the need to have LOS on the bat in order to execute the jump.

Her bat does not need any buff. It follows automatically when you pass a certain distance, otherwise it stays stationary which is what most would prefer. It is easy/quick to relocate as well. Chances are teams already a know someone is around most times. PLUS You can recall the bat if you're trying to be stealthy. AFAIK an enemy cannot make the bat move or prevent her from jumping on them, so idk how annoying it's going to get fighting her.

Not sure why people think her sniper needs to one shot people for it to be strong. It's a great ult plus applies damage bonus for teammates. You have a free long range weapon that allows a flexible load-out. I will gladly play as Vantage this season if others aren't going to pick her.

[Civilian Squirrel Operator™]

I think she is supposed to use her tactical to jump to safety and heal or get out of the line of fire. So you set it and fight and jump to it. I guess.

[immdev]

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

The ult could :
- Highlight the target for the team for 10s same way Seer does (displaying HP/Shield)
- Do more damage (it's ludicrous to do barely more damage than a lame ass longbow), a 3030 with a skullpiercer does more than that.
- be hitscan
- have more ammo
- charge faster
(not all these at once naturally)

lol. I secured some kills with her ult. It's wat easier, than with regular snipers. Just line two shots and it's damage already above sentinel.

[Rawn]

the ability is fun the ult doesnt hurt people and the passive is irrelevant

[Depression in zero years]

2 shots = 150 dmg in body
its ok.

This char request skill of user

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by immdev:

Originally posted by Mr_Zayder:

The ult could :
- Highlight the target for the team for 10s same way Seer does (displaying HP/Shield)
- Do more damage (it's ludicrous to do barely more damage than a lame ass longbow), a 3030 with a skullpiercer does more than that.
- be hitscan
- have more ammo
- charge faster
(not all these at once naturally)

lol. I secured some kills with her ult. It's wat easier, than with regular snipers. Just line two shots and it's damage already above sentinel.

Sentinel Body shot does 70. 2 Shots = 140 whereas Vantage's Ult is 150.
So 10dmg extra or a more useful ult ? Choice is easy.

Beside you can charge it, bringing a body shot to 88dmg making Vantage ult worse (172 vs 150).
Beside, a sentinel headshot does 126dmg in a white helmet (not charged), Vantage Ult will do 75, making Vantage ult, once again worse than a weapon you can pick up off the ground.

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Attack on Ivan:

2 shots = 150 dmg in body
its ok.

This char request skill of user

Yeah, it's 10dmg more than a sentinel.
Not sure that 10 extra dmg is really worth an Ult skill slot.

[Mr_Zayder]

Originally posted by Jibbles:

I've not played with her much but she definitely doesn't need all these suggested buffs, I think people just need to learn to play her... She is strong as is. Her mobility is quite insane. The delay time is awkward but necessary, although I wouldn't mind if they remove the need to have LOS on the bat in order to execute the jump.

Her bat does not need any buff. It follows automatically when you pass a certain distance, otherwise it stays stationary which is what most would prefer. It is easy/quick to relocate as well. Chances are teams already a know someone is around most times. PLUS You can recall the bat if you're trying to be stealthy. AFAIK an enemy cannot make the bat move or prevent her from jumping on them, so idk how annoying it's going to get fighting her.

Not sure why people think her sniper needs to one shot people for it to be strong. It's a great ult plus applies damage bonus for teammates. You have a free long range weapon that allows a flexible load-out. I will gladly play as Vantage this season if others aren't going to pick her.

If you really can't see a middle line between "lame sniper" and "One shot people, then you're just playing fool.

The point is that the ult, does more or less damage than a weapon you find everywhere on the map and that everyone can pick up. That's it, there are dozens of ways to make it actually worthwhile, but at the moment, take a pathfinder and a sentinel and voilà, you even get an extra zipline for your team to relocate. (only downside to this is that then you don't apply the damage buff for the team *oh no, anyway*)

[Dwane Dibbley]

Its hero for noobs. Just QoL for sniping to be able to hop in without any real skill.

The bat-move is kinda bad. its use breaks whole movement flow, if you dont do doublejump its like you just hit the wall, doublejump kinda lack momentum and its more like "i fall little further".

Ultimate is weird. The laser that gives away your position and surprising shots doesnt make sense at all, its like "heeeeyy look at me, im over here and i want to shoot at you with my uber customized sniper rifle that does less damage than original rifle".

The only fun i had with her is ulti for extra damage and fast switching to charged rifle.