Shotguns are Inaccurate.

[Bagagel [IanTay]]

Now, I'm not talking inaccurate as their spread is too big. I'm saying the Crosshairs do not portray their actual spread. The PK's Hipfire (Uncharged) doesn't even touch the edges of it. And the Mastiffs hipfire is a bit wonky, as that ones RNG based (Cause the pellets are randomly scattered horizontally). And the Mozambique, dear god we don't talk about the Mozambique. Ya, that ones fine, the projectiles go along the inner parts of the three lines (So imagine a triangle connecting the three lines of the Hipfire Crosshair, and each corner represents a Mozambique pellet). And the EVA-8? That things Hipfire spread, is so tight, you could use the tightened square Ironsights from Ramparts Minigun, and it would fit it perfectly.

[John Pork]

That's why you use optics instead of iron sights

[Bagagel [IanTay]]

Originally posted by big chungus:

That's why you use optics instead of iron sights

But, but I'm talking about the Hipfire Crosshairs being so horrible inaccurate for the shotgun spread lol. The Ironsights are cool and all, but these are shotguns, if someone's two feet from you, you're gonna hipfire.

[Legion]

The hipfire in this game is generally the worst thing i've ever experienced as a gamer, apparently shooting an LMG/Shotgun at a guy standing 2 meters away from me is not viable because of how absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the gunplay is in this game

[TeflonDon]

the whole game is inaccurate . trash

[Bagagel [IanTay]]

Originally posted by Legion:

The hipfire in this game is generally the worst thing i've ever experienced as a gamer, apparently shooting an LMG/Shotgun at a guy standing 2 meters away from me is not viable because of how absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the gunplay is in this game

Well ya see, that's because they make the hipfire spread for everything RNG. Because Lootboxes weren't RNG enough lol.

[lolschrauber]

Originally posted by big chungus:

That's why you use optics instead of iron sights

Wait till you find out that hipfire Eva has 0% recoil while aiming with it actually adds a small amount.

Not a huge Deal, but goes against any shooter logic whatsoever.

[CJwat11]

The Mastiff in particular is especially guilty of this since it's not even a normal shotgun.

That's why you HAVE to ADS the mastiff for it to work, and that can be really bad due to how you kill your mobility when you ADS so you have to learn to snapshot a lot. Mastiff is easily worst shotgun outside of Mad Maggie for this reason.

[Iron|Cu!]

You know what is broken?

-> 10Hz tickrate servers
-> Overall bad and poor quality servers
-> Atrocious hit-registration and no damage shots

Once they fix that, shotguns will suddenly be a LOT better and less RNG.

Will they ever fix it?

They already said no. They think improving server infrastructure and tickrate will not make hit-registration and overall game better 🤣 😂

[Lynx]

Exactly, peacemaker is garbage untill ur very close to the target

[[N63] chrisragnar]

Originally posted by Legion:

The hipfire in this game is generally the worst thing i've ever experienced as a gamer, apparently shooting an LMG/Shotgun at a guy standing 2 meters away from me is not viable because of how absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the gunplay is in this game

But wait. How do you ads? If I ads I'm pretty much stationary and get melted instantly. And I never see anyone that's not flying around like a rabbit cat while shooting. So I assumed everyone only hipfire in this game.

[Zsar]

Originally posted by N63 chrisragnar:

Originally posted by Legion:

The hipfire in this game is generally the worst thing i've ever experienced as a gamer, apparently shooting an LMG/Shotgun at a guy standing 2 meters away from me is not viable because of how absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the gunplay is in this game

But wait. How do you ads? If I ads I'm pretty much stationary and get melted instantly. And I never see anyone that's not flying around like a rabbit cat while shooting. So I assumed everyone only hipfire in this game.

Its called quick scope and something you need to know to be even viable.

[CJwat11]

Well it depends on the weapon, most guns have fairly good hipfire but I can rattle off a bunch that have bad hipfire:

P2020, Wingman, Rampage, Mastiff, LSTAR, any sniper that isn't the Longbow.

[Legion]

Originally posted by N63 chrisragnar:

Originally posted by Legion:

The hipfire in this game is generally the worst thing i've ever experienced as a gamer, apparently shooting an LMG/Shotgun at a guy standing 2 meters away from me is not viable because of how absolutely ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ the gunplay is in this game

But wait. How do you ads? If I ads I'm pretty much stationary and get melted instantly. And I never see anyone that's not flying around like a rabbit cat while shooting. So I assumed everyone only hipfire in this game.

Depends on a weapon. Pistol/SMG's slow you only very little during ads, combine it with crouch and A D A D spamming you're basically unkillable save for the few lucky shots because of how absolutely terrible the servers and the gunplay is.

Carbines and LMG's slow you to a stand still making you a very easy target for people that can full spray recoil control you.

Which once again, goes back to the gunplay problem, people do anything to avoid it without even realizing it. The current charge rifle meta for example. The 301 has been good since forever because you can focus on actually hitting your shots instead of fighting the game and its pre-set obnoxious fire patterns.
This whole game is a mess.

[Bagagel [IanTay]]

Originally posted by Legion:

Originally posted by N63 chrisragnar:

But wait. How do you ads? If I ads I'm pretty much stationary and get melted instantly. And I never see anyone that's not flying around like a rabbit cat while shooting. So I assumed everyone only hipfire in this game.

Depends on a weapon. Pistol/SMG's slow you only very little during ads, combine it with crouch and A D A D spamming you're basically unkillable save for the few lucky shots because of how absolutely terrible the servers and the gunplay is.

Carbines and LMG's slow you to a stand still making you a very easy target for people that can full spray recoil control you.

Which once again, goes back to the gunplay problem, people do anything to avoid it without even realizing it. The current charge rifle meta for example. The 301 has been good since forever because you can focus on actually hitting your shots instead of fighting the game and its pre-set obnoxious fire patterns.
This whole game is a mess.

And SMGs are the best of both worlds, you can somewhat move (aiming with SMGs takes up 50% of your movement speed), and only 10% when you're hipfiring. Compared to an AR's 80% ADS, and 20% Hipfire (And we don't dare talk about the LMGs D: )

[[N63] chrisragnar]

Originally posted by 飛 Zsar 機:

Originally posted by N63 chrisragnar:

But wait. How do you ads? If I ads I'm pretty much stationary and get melted instantly. And I never see anyone that's not flying around like a rabbit cat while shooting. So I assumed everyone only hipfire in this game.

Its called quick scope and something you need to know to be even viable.

So scope while sliding. But how do you change direction every second then? I have to sprint for five seconds at least to slide.