SUPER UNBALANCED

[Xodiaq666]

This Game is currently SUPER UNBALANCED. Starting with that fact that there is still only 1 HEAL LEGEND. NEW LEGEND IS STILL NOT HEALER. New SMG Comiing, NO ENERGY PISTOL. Matchmaking impossible apparently.

[Jlad]

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

Originally posted by Glad:

Hard disagree personally. The idea a weapon concept you want is not in the game does not mean it's unbalanced. The idea that there are not more healers does not mean it's unbalanced. If you really wanna hear unbalanced, try having a team with lifeline, someone who can heal your shields for free, and Gibraltar to just block all incoming damage. That would be unbalanced. And if we did have another healer, that would make Lifeline less unique and maybe even nonviable.
As for saying any legends are unbalanced, I also disagree. What wins a fight is not what legend they are, but rather what guns they have, and pretty much every gun is well balanced, aside from maybe the R-99 and Volt at times if you have really good aim and tracking. And with buggy ults that don't work 100% of the time does not mean it's "unbalanced". It means it's a little buggy. It's annoying sure, but not game breaking.
And as for what you said about matchmaking being a mess. This is an online, free to play game. People will smurf, people will lose on purpose, people will do whatever they can to play against worst players so they can win more. It's not an Apex problem, that's a matchmaking problem in general. Apex is one of the most fun games I've played in a long time, and I have no major issues with it. Sure MM can be annoying to deal with, but that doesn't make it unbalanced. And as much as I would love for this game to become even better, complaining on a Steam forum about minor issues is not the way to go about it. And if you want to talk about bigger issues, like major bugs that have been in the game for far too long (Crashing, server connection issues, etc.), then you should do it. The issues you have brought up in this thread are minor at best to non issues at worst

You just contradicted yourself describing a fairly common scenario revolving around Lifeline and another healer to diminish her monopoly as the Only healer which is an OP status based on the context. An energy pistol may or may not provide more balance but we haven't seen an energy pistol provide imbalance, you can't rule it out negative already without a trial. You're making the same logical mistake as these annoying stooges just insulting my skill. i'm sorry kids but your minds don't wrap around the game and its technicalities as well as mine does, regardless of play skill.
The legends are more crucial than the weapons, compare dps in tacticals and ult, if your legend has ability to do more damage along with you weapons is clearly more powerful than pathfinder which only has mobility, his grapple or zipline does no damage, That how you know if your legend is OP, if they can do anymore than mobility tact/ult.
as for the matchmaking with purposeful losers/trolls/smurf, yes something can be done about because there's tons of data reading and recording going on during highly active games otherwise no game would ever get better or have improvements/updates, enough to make sure you are not teamed with those players less often.

Call it a complaint or you're just too much of a fanboy to admit any flaw and that really doesn't help anything but i bet you feel special huh, not being able to have constructive criticism and all pandering.

AS A MATTER OF FACT YES, I BELIEVE THE POINT OF STEAM 'DISCUSSIONS' IN A PARTICULAR VIDEO GAME CATEGORY IS TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS(Preferably more intellectual and less illogical) LIKE THIS TO EXCHANGE VIEWPOINTS/CONCERNS/ETC.

Please turn your brain on.

After reading everything in here I can only assume this. You are gold and play the game well but just get unlucky with matches, and the teams that kill you more often than not tend to have Lifeline and the 3 legends you call "OP". However, I must disagree with you still. I'm your average gold player and play this game to have fun. Stressing out over rank is something I did with CS:GO and I don't enjoy that game. However that doesn't mean I don't understand balance and certain aspects of the game. I know enough to see your arguments thus far have been you complaining that legends with abilities that do damage are more powerful than movement legends, and that's just not true. Octane is powerful because of his on demand speed, however it costs 20 health to use. It is effective and powerful, but if you use it to much you could very easily just die. Fuse and Caustic are not op. The two have limited movement, and in the case of Fuse his abilities can hurt him as well. Caustic has one of the larger hitboxes in the game, and though he has fortified, it still makes him an easy target to hit when compared to Horizon or Pathfinder. As for those two, they have strong mobility tools that can help you in a fight. The amount of times I've seen a Horizon use her tactical to pop a shield batter while dodging left and right is proof of that. The abilities that deal damage deal a lot of damage to people who either don't pay attention or just stand in the area of effect. It's not difficult to get out of Caustic gas since it is stationary, and Fuse's ultimate is laughably easy to dodge provided you have a tiny bit of height to jump over it. Hell a lot of legends can just ignore it. Octane, Horizon, Wraith, Pathfinder, Loba, Valkyrie and soon Ash all have abilities to help them and their team just leave the area of effect.

And as for your comment on Lifeline having a monopoly on healing. Other forms of healing exist in the game, she is not a must have. Wattson and Octane can regenerate shield and health respectively and Wattson can help her teammates regenerate shield, but at a much slower rate than what you could get from a LIfeline tactical. But imagine for a second we did have a legend who could heal just as well as Lifeline, or relatively comparable to her for shields. Suddenly you have a team with a Lifeline who can heal your health quickly, a legend who can heal your shields quickly, and potentially a defense character to make the enemy team move slower to you guys or just negate all damage. Lifeline being the main healer in the game is not unbalanced, it makes her unique. Every legend should be unique, because if they aren't then they are just a better version of a previous legend.

And sure, you can post what you want to here, but you're treating every disagreement as "Oh wow these people are sheep baaaah". The fact that most people who said something disagree with you to some degree should tell you something. And as for the "Think about what I didn't say" argument. How do we know what other aspects you're referring to in the game without you mentioning them? The fact you named certain things in the beginning of this discussion tells us you think these are the biggest issues to you.

I'm not gonna sit here and say "Wow git gud" because idk how well you play, you could easily be lying about all your achievements just like everyone else here. But seeing a critique of your arguments and lashing out is proof that even if you think of half the people here as kids, you are far more immature than you think you are. Have a good day

[Xodiaq666]

Originally posted by RoBOO!ticDog:

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

you have .02 hrs of play on apex, why even open your mouth genius?
take some time to realize you're another pathetic mind trying to enter the conversation.

No... No. He has a point. just because you want an energy pistol or another healer doesn't mean the game is unbalanced.

idk why you keep narrowing it down to that, I said i didnt want to go down a cheklist of what i had already discussed before which is Op legends and class saturation, an energy pistol would make the armory slightly more perverse, the whole game isnt dependent on it so you GENIUSES STOP IMPLYING THAT. you guys are being way too illiterate for me, try to see how ignorant you are being and looking, just try, do us both a favor.

[RoboticDog]

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

idk why you keep narrowing it down to that, I said i didnt want to go down a cheklist of what i had already discussed before which is Op legends and class saturation, an energy pistol would make the armory slightly more perverse, the whole game isnt dependent on it so you GENIUSES STOP IMPLYING THAT. you guys are being way too illiterate for me, try to see how ignorant you are being and looking, just try, do us both a favor.

You narrowed it down to that in your original post. Forgive me if I focus on it, considering that you did first.
You never mentioned OP legends in your original post. There can be debate there, but forgive me if I didn't realize that was what we were supposed to be arguing.

You vaguely mentioned class saturation in your original post, but as I've stated, a lack of healer classes does not make the game unbalanced. Another healer would make Lifeline less interesting and unique. Several characters double as support. You focus too much on what the game says classes are, and not enough focus on what the characters actually are. Gibby is stated defensive, doubles as support. Crypto is stated as recon, but doubles as support. There are plenty more examples of this, if you just look at what each legend does instead of what their labels are.

[Xodiaq666]

Originally posted by RoBOO!ticDog:

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

idk why you keep narrowing it down to that, I said i didnt want to go down a cheklist of what i had already discussed before which is Op legends and class saturation, an energy pistol would make the armory slightly more perverse, the whole game isnt dependent on it so you GENIUSES STOP IMPLYING THAT. you guys are being way too illiterate for me, try to see how ignorant you are being and looking, just try, do us both a favor.

You narrowed it down to that in your original post. Forgive me if I focus on it, considering that you did first.
You never mentioned OP legends in your original post. There can be debate there, but forgive me if I didn't realize that was what we were supposed to be arguing.

You vaguely mentioned class saturation in your original post, but as I've stated, a lack of healer classes does not make the game unbalanced. Another healer would make Lifeline less interesting and unique. Several characters double as support. You focus too much on what the game says classes are, and not enough focus on what the characters actually are. Gibby is stated defensive, doubles as support. Crypto is stated as recon, but doubles as support. There are plenty more examples of this, if you just look at what each legend does instead of what their labels are.

I don't forgive you because you should have done yourself the favor to THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, the actual box of the original post in this matter.

[RoboticDog]

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

I don't forgive you because you should have done yourself the favor to THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, the actual box of the original post in this matter.

Then don't forgive me. Good for you. Have a nice day.

[Xodiaq666]

Originally posted by SaltyWeasel:

Entire class system in Apex does not make any sense and the game is not depended on healers since it has shield cells and health kits.

Squads with Lifeline have significantly higher chances of winning, how can you argue against her monopoly of the class, loba cross icon is a sham, LL revives/heals/Supplies, shes the tiniest legend and very fast. hardly any "professional" team/squad will lack a lifeline.

[Xodiaq666]

Originally posted by RoBOO!ticDog:

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

I don't forgive you because you should have done yourself the favor to THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, the actual box of the original post in this matter.

Then don't forgive me. Good for you. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by Glad:

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

You just contradicted yourself describing a fairly common scenario revolving around Lifeline and another healer to diminish her monopoly as the Only healer which is an OP status based on the context. An energy pistol may or may not provide more balance but we haven't seen an energy pistol provide imbalance, you can't rule it out negative already without a trial. You're making the same logical mistake as these annoying stooges just insulting my skill. i'm sorry kids but your minds don't wrap around the game and its technicalities as well as mine does, regardless of play skill.
The legends are more crucial than the weapons, compare dps in tacticals and ult, if your legend has ability to do more damage along with you weapons is clearly more powerful than pathfinder which only has mobility, his grapple or zipline does no damage, That how you know if your legend is OP, if they can do anymore than mobility tact/ult.
as for the matchmaking with purposeful losers/trolls/smurf, yes something can be done about because there's tons of data reading and recording going on during highly active games otherwise no game would ever get better or have improvements/updates, enough to make sure you are not teamed with those players less often.

Call it a complaint or you're just too much of a fanboy to admit any flaw and that really doesn't help anything but i bet you feel special huh, not being able to have constructive criticism and all pandering.

AS A MATTER OF FACT YES, I BELIEVE THE POINT OF STEAM 'DISCUSSIONS' IN A PARTICULAR VIDEO GAME CATEGORY IS TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS(Preferably more intellectual and less illogical) LIKE THIS TO EXCHANGE VIEWPOINTS/CONCERNS/ETC.

Please turn your brain on.

After reading everything in here I can only assume this. You are gold and play the game well but just get unlucky with matches, and the teams that kill you more often than not tend to have Lifeline and the 3 legends you call "OP". However, I must disagree with you still. I'm your average gold player and play this game to have fun. Stressing out over rank is something I did with CS:GO and I don't enjoy that game. However that doesn't mean I don't understand balance and certain aspects of the game. I know enough to see your arguments thus far have been you complaining that legends with abilities that do damage are more powerful than movement legends, and that's just not true. Octane is powerful because of his on demand speed, however it costs 20 health to use. It is effective and powerful, but if you use it to much you could very easily just die. Fuse and Caustic are not op. The two have limited movement, and in the case of Fuse his abilities can hurt him as well. Caustic has one of the larger hitboxes in the game, and though he has fortified, it still makes him an easy target to hit when compared to Horizon or Pathfinder. As for those two, they have strong mobility tools that can help you in a fight. The amount of times I've seen a Horizon use her tactical to pop a shield batter while dodging left and right is proof of that. The abilities that deal damage deal a lot of damage to people who either don't pay attention or just stand in the area of effect. It's not difficult to get out of Caustic gas since it is stationary, and Fuse's ultimate is laughably easy to dodge provided you have a tiny bit of height to jump over it. Hell a lot of legends can just ignore it. Octane, Horizon, Wraith, Pathfinder, Loba, Valkyrie and soon Ash all have abilities to help them and their team just leave the area of effect.

And as for your comment on Lifeline having a monopoly on healing. Other forms of healing exist in the game, she is not a must have. Wattson and Octane can regenerate shield and health respectively and Wattson can help her teammates regenerate shield, but at a much slower rate than what you could get from a LIfeline tactical. But imagine for a second we did have a legend who could heal just as well as Lifeline, or relatively comparable to her for shields. Suddenly you have a team with a Lifeline who can heal your health quickly, a legend who can heal your shields quickly, and potentially a defense character to make the enemy team move slower to you guys or just negate all damage. Lifeline being the main healer in the game is not unbalanced, it makes her unique. Every legend should be unique, because if they aren't then they are just a better version of a previous legend.

And sure, you can post what you want to here, but you're treating every disagreement as "Oh wow these people are sheep baaaah". The fact that most people who said something disagree with you to some degree should tell you something. And as for the "Think about what I didn't say" argument. How do we know what other aspects you're referring to in the game without you mentioning them? The fact you named certain things in the beginning of this discussion tells us you think these are the biggest issues to you.

I'm not gonna sit here and say "Wow git gud" because idk how well you play, you could easily be lying about all your achievements just like everyone else here. But seeing a critique of your arguments and lashing out is proof that even if you think of half the people here as kids, you are far more immature than you think you are. Have a good day

1st half this post just facts that i was previously aware of and well though out, you may have just laid it out for the rest which can bring you some sense of accomplishment. yet another stage i'm well beyond. We shouldn't have to emulate or compensate for a lack of another healer legend to balance the class system.

Fuse moves too fast for being a reinforced legend, nade stack OP as F.(i'll state again i never use these legends just to stop myself from abusing cheap victories, not to mention i'd be so bored and over this game already.)

Caustic deployable easiest to conceal, wide activation range/aoe, Highlights enemies and for some reason 'neuro-links' it to squadmates, trap slows (inhibit his movement deduction)/dmg, cant be destroyed by melee, permanent once activated.

octane either needs to be weaker or unable to regenerate, any other change challenges his character too much. He should be weaker because hes already small and fast and regenerates, he can take more damage than path and crypto. If he cant regenerate, hes already small and fast and doesn't go down easy, he can escape and heal without challenging his character.

I'm glad you can acknowledge the possible dishonesty on all side but i have my stats. I can screenshot and i do record gameplay occasionally.

but oh, Im having outbursts? really, have read how these people respond? they begin with an outburst and i see no comparison to the way i reply, but ok. maybe you're a sensitive person idk.

[Papo_]

...

[Hogg]

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

Originally posted by SaltyWeasel:

Entire class system in Apex does not make any sense and the game is not depended on healers since it has shield cells and health kits.

Squads with Lifeline have significantly higher chances of winning, how can you argue against her monopoly of the class, loba cross icon is a sham, LL revives/heals/Supplies, shes the tiniest legend and very fast. hardly any "professional" team/squad will lack a lifeline.

So if a new player mains lifeline they are more likely to win games just because she has a Q that heals and an auto revive as a passive? Dosent matter if you play the "meta legends" or use the "meta weapons" it dosent make you a better player nor does it mean you will get more kills/wins. Skill, Knowledge and awareness is what separates an average player from a good player. Knowing when to fight, When to disengage from fights, Having good movement and aim are key factors to winning in apex. Without that you are more likely to be killed and lose more often.

[fake benny]

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

Originally posted by SaltyWeasel:

Entire class system in Apex does not make any sense and the game is not depended on healers since it has shield cells and health kits.

Squads with Lifeline have significantly higher chances of winning, how can you argue against her monopoly of the class, loba cross icon is a sham, LL revives/heals/Supplies, shes the tiniest legend and very fast. hardly any "professional" team/squad will lack a lifeline.

wraith has the smallest hitbox making her the tinest legend; every legend runs at the same speed; lifelines ult is useless; it gives away the most crucial thing to win in apex, positioning; revives are easily countered (hard push) unlike previous seasons with res shields; heals, sure but if you dont have heals to use wtf are you carrying lmao; lifeline imo needs some love. also its true that hardly any professional team will lack a lifeline, because her abilities are trash.

positioning (aka god spot) is the most crucial winning factor in apex. you can rat there to kill a squad (like how KNG killed SOLOQGOATS); you can poke to get/steal kills in small circles; dont have to watch your back unless you just tunnel vision it all the way

btw defensive legends DO NOT need a buff pls dont do this respawn not again with the gibby buff;

[Hogg]

Originally posted by lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI:

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

Squads with Lifeline have significantly higher chances of winning, how can you argue against her monopoly of the class, loba cross icon is a sham, LL revives/heals/Supplies, shes the tiniest legend and very fast. hardly any "professional" team/squad will lack a lifeline.

wraith has the smallest hitbox making her the tinest legend; every legend runs at the same speed; lifelines ult is useless; it gives away the most crucial thing to win in apex, positioning; revives are easily countered (hard push) unlike previous seasons with res shields; heals, sure but if you dont have heals to use wtf are you carrying lmao; lifeline imo needs some love. also its true that hardly any professional team will lack a lifeline, because her abilities are trash.

positioning (aka god spot) is the most crucial winning factor in apex. you can rat there to kill a squad (like how KNG killed SOLOQGOATS); you can poke to get/steal kills in small circles; dont have to watch your back unless you just tunnel vision it all the way

btw defensive legends DO NOT need a buff pls dont do this respawn not again with the gibby buff;

All legends are fairly balanced in my opinion. All depends on how you play them and if you maximise their potential in crucial situations. Ash will be interesting when she comes out in a few more hours, hopefully her Q isn’t too OP

[Xodiaq666]

Originally posted by lIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlIlI:

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

Squads with Lifeline have significantly higher chances of winning, how can you argue against her monopoly of the class, loba cross icon is a sham, LL revives/heals/Supplies, shes the tiniest legend and very fast. hardly any "professional" team/squad will lack a lifeline.

wraith has the smallest hitbox making her the tinest legend; every legend runs at the same speed; lifelines ult is useless; it gives away the most crucial thing to win in apex, positioning; revives are easily countered (hard push) unlike previous seasons with res shields; heals, sure but if you dont have heals to use wtf are you carrying lmao; lifeline imo needs some love. also its true that hardly any professional team will lack a lifeline, because her abilities are trash.

positioning (aka god spot) is the most crucial winning factor in apex. you can rat there to kill a squad (like how KNG killed SOLOQGOATS); you can poke to get/steal kills in small circles; dont have to watch your back unless you just tunnel vision it all the way

btw defensive legends DO NOT need a buff pls dont do this respawn not again with the gibby buff;

The legends have different movement speed, the character perks and buffs are the same just greatly reduced and or unmentioned/implied. Gib and caustic are clearly slow, that's why they are not slowed by bullets, fuse and octane have half that effect for some reason and fuse is fast even though hes a chunky node, the rest share similar yet varying speed and slowed by bullets. Lifelines ult does not reveal anything because there's always replicators and other care packages dropping all the time, even airstrike ult can distract enough from replicators and care packages dropping. If not carrying heals, perhaps arsenal to compensate for a lack of firepower depending on legend(pathfinder) as compared to others that are clearly more equipped for battle and not just fun swinging around and logistics because i didn't mind to play the latest spider man game(s)(and don't plan to) as i'm exploring this fps. maybe they can make his grapple do a little damage upon contact with an enemy. Lifeline gets more love than she needs, another healer would expand multiple aspects of this game.

i never said anything about buffing a defense legend gib is balanced.

[Dry Noodles]

Sounds like a case of mad cause bad.

[RoboticDog]

Originally posted by Xodiaq666:

The legends have different movement speed, the character perks and buffs are the same just greatly reduced and or unmentioned/implied. Gib and caustic are clearly slow, that's why they are not slowed by bullets, fuse and octane have half that effect for some reason and fuse is fast even though hes a chunky node, the rest share similar yet varying speed and slowed by bullets.

Every single legend runs the same speed. The only difference is how fast their arms swing, which gives the appearance of running fast, but this is literally only aesthetic. Gib and Caustic are big and easy to hit, that's why they're not slowed by bullets.

you can probably look it up, I think the devs have actually said this before.

[SoundRise]

The matchmaking, yes, that one can be discussed.