Bow is broken as hell

[Adelic]

It's a wingman that does nearly 2x the body shot damage and can turn into a shotgun if it needs to. Not to mention you can put a 3x on it and make the rate of fire crazy with deadeyes tempo.
Broken as hell.

[Player Zer01]

its a marksmen weapon.... why wouldnt it be strong. also the spread shot mod is garbage as ANY shotgun will out damage it.

and why make ANOTHER one of these threads when there is already COUNTLESS "bow is op!!" threads??

[Adelic]

Originally posted by Player Zer01:

its a marksmen weapon.... why wouldnt it be strong. also the spread shot mod is garbage as ANY shotgun will out damage it.

and why make ANOTHER one of these threads when there is already COUNTLESS "bow is op!!" threads??

Bro its literally a wingman that does the same body damage as a sentinel.

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Originally posted by Player Zer01:

its a marksmen weapon.... why wouldnt it be strong. also the spread shot mod is garbage as ANY shotgun will out damage it.

and why make ANOTHER one of these threads when there is already COUNTLESS "bow is op!!" threads??

it def will, they're unstoppable. I'm ok to play with bow, and versus bow users. Two things i'd changed is draw time (SLIGHTLY increase it, so tempo hop-up made more sense) and remove shatter caps (or make them interchangeable, just to reduce versatility of this weapon). This is how far i can concede for people whining. If Respawn will nerf it more than this, i swear to God i'll spam the ♥♥♥♥ out of discussions with "BUFF BOW!1!!1!" threads, bc this is most fun/rewarding waepon to use rn.

[Reginald]

Adelic is right. The bow is an absurdity. It does 70 body 123 head. It does quite literally more damage than the longbow, has an equivalent rate of fire, bullet drop, projectile speed. There is, in no uncertain terms, no reason to take anything other than the bow.

The wingman was already an idiotic weapon, because; while its skill floor is high, it provides extremely high and outsized benefits if you can use it. Faster movement speed and damage than any other gun in the game? Got it. Huge headshot multipliers? Yes. Effective at all ranges? Yes. This is a compounding effect that makes using other weapons, if you can muster the Wingman, pointless. The CORRECT way to manage weapon balance is that a player with superior skill would be on a linear plane compared to his inferiors, regardless of what weapon he uses with some perturbations for imperfect balance. But the wingman and the vibecheck are entirely in a class of their own.

Now we have the vibecheck to ruin the entire game. I won't be playing until its fixed. Which will be in about 3 months I assume.

[water]

Originally posted by Deisu:

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Yes. That's the point of high-skill level weapons, to be really rewarding when you master them.

Good riddance?

[NeloDante]

Originally posted by hasamic:

Originally posted by Deisu:

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Yes. That's the point of high-skill level weapons, to be really rewarding when you master them.

Good riddance?

Yeah high skill level weapons should make you uninstall the game. Come on, the problem of the bow is that it's not HIGH SKILL to begin with, it's easy to use with a lot of reward. It's waaaaaaay easier than the wingman when it's literally an upgrade of it.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by Deisu:

The wingman was already an idiotic weapon, because; while its skill floor is high, it provides extremely high and outsized benefits if you can use it. Faster movement speed and damage than any other gun in the game? Got it. Huge headshot multipliers? Yes. Effective at all ranges? Yes. This is a compounding effect that makes using other weapons, if you can muster the Wingman, pointless. The CORRECT way to manage weapon balance is that a player with superior skill would be on a linear plane compared to his inferiors, regardless of what weapon he uses with some perturbations for imperfect balance. But the wingman and the vibecheck are entirely in a class of their own.

I could't agree more. They already discussed their nerf to getting stuck by an arc star as not being as fun for the person being stuck. Same logic applies to being on the receiving end of a bow/wingman. If a player is good with either (and the bow doesn't require much to be good with) its just oppressive and irritating. These weapons need to be looked at significantly and alter their overall standing in the game, shortening the gap between the players who know how to use them and the rest of us.

Originally posted by Deisu:

Adelic is right. The bow is an absurdity. It does 70 body 123 head. It does quite literally more damage than the longbow, has an equivalent rate of fire, bullet drop, projectile speed. There is, in no uncertain terms, no reason to take anything other than the bow.

Now we have the vibecheck to ruin the entire game. I won't be playing until its fixed. Which will be in about 3 months I assume.

That's the reality of it too. The bow is better than just about any weapon of it or a similar class with little to no downside (what happened to rare ammo eh?) to the point that its a mistake to leave one behind. There's no reason to use any other long range weapon except for the Kraber, that being the one weapon arguably better because not much beats instakill headshot. Every game being a bow spamfest is just not fun. Its repetitive. Sure, I can enjoy using it but equally so I get annoyed getting attacked by it. Those of you that will counter with crap like "don't be out of cover when your shields are broken" or "just push them because the bow is bad close range" can shut themselves now because this ♥♥♥♥♥♥ map we're locked in on has more open fields than any other map. I felt obligated to run a sniper before the new season on this map and now feel obligated to run a bow because the only sniper worth using is care package only.

[R-S!N]

respawn games lol

[Reginald]

Originally posted by hasamic:

Originally posted by Deisu:

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Yes. That's the point of high-skill level weapons, to be really rewarding when you master them.

Good riddance?

Decidedly incorrect, its quite literally the opposite of good balance. If you create a weapon with a high skill floor that has not only massive offensive but also massive defensive benefits, then all you've done is hard gate performance at an arbitrary threshold. The expected outcome for a skilled player against an inferior player is the skilled player will win in most circumstances. All this does is limit the choices of the skilled player (why use anything else, it literally makes you easier to kill) and arbitrarily end the game for the less skilled player.

All that to say, and this is an old balance problem in online gaming really, when something over-preforms; it kills the entire rest of the game's kit. "why use anything else" means every fight turns into "who is the best at this gun". At that point you've reduced the complexity of the exchange so much you might as well just see who's average accuracy score is higher and give them the win as soon as the match starts.

[Bvllzye]

if they increase the draw length i think it would be ok, maybe twice as long per shot.

[Tactical Germie Shepie]

Compound bow arrows fly about 300 ft per second, roughly 200 mph.
50 cal BMG can travel 1225 ft per second, roughly 1700 mpg.

But in here, the arrow travels about as fast as the Kraber.

[Cyber_Wizard]

It's soo easy to get kills with this weapon and my aim is bad lol XD

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Adelic:

Originally posted by Player Zer01:

its a marksmen weapon.... why wouldnt it be strong. also the spread shot mod is garbage as ANY shotgun will out damage it.

and why make ANOTHER one of these threads when there is already COUNTLESS "bow is op!!" threads??

Bro its literally a wingman that does the same body damage as a sentinel.

its.
a.
MARKSMEN.
WEAPON.

what part of that is not sinking in?!

Originally posted by Il Tuche:

Originally posted by Player Zer01:

its a marksmen weapon.... why wouldnt it be strong. also the spread shot mod is garbage as ANY shotgun will out damage it.

and why make ANOTHER one of these threads when there is already COUNTLESS "bow is op!!" threads??

it def will, they're unstoppable. I'm ok to play with bow, and versus bow users. Two things i'd changed is draw time (SLIGHTLY increase it, so tempo hop-up made more sense) and remove shatter caps (or make them interchangeable, just to reduce versatility of this weapon). This is how far i can concede for people whining. If Respawn will nerf it more than this, i swear to God i'll spam the ♥♥♥♥ out of discussions with "BUFF BOW!1!!1!" threads, bc this is most fun/rewarding waepon to use rn.

increasing the draw time is my ONLY thing that i wish for it but people will still complain about getting 2 shot but thats whatever. really the reason they have shatter and dead eye is because there is virtually nothing else (besides a scope) that you can place on it. they want it to be that versatile so its not just one thing. which i understand but to get the GREAT damage from shatter you have to be right on top of the enemy. this is why i said that mod is garbage because any person with a shotgun or smg will kill you faster befor you kill them. the spread for scatter is redick.

Originally posted by NeloDante:

Originally posted by hasamic:

Yes. That's the point of high-skill level weapons, to be really rewarding when you master them.

Good riddance?

Yeah high skill level weapons should make you uninstall the game. Come on, the problem of the bow is that it's not HIGH SKILL to begin with, it's easy to use with a lot of reward. It's waaaaaaay easier than the wingman when it's literally an upgrade of it.

you say this yet ive SO MANY people that cant hit with the bow to save their life. also you do know theres only 3 upgrades for it, TWO of them being modes right?

[Player Zer01]

Originally posted by Tactical Germie Shepie:

Compound bow arrows fly about 300 ft per second, roughly 200 mph.
50 cal BMG can travel 1225 ft per second, roughly 1700 mpg.

But in here, the arrow travels about as fast as the Kraber.

dont use REAL real life for games.... you wont have a good time xD

[Logoth]

Originally posted by Adelic:

It's a wingman that does nearly 2x the body shot damage and can turn into a shotgun if it needs to. Not to mention you can put a 3x on it and make the rate of fire crazy with deadeyes tempo.
Broken as hell.

I'm baffled that this weapon made it to release in it's current state.

Who the hell is in charge of this? How did something like this get released?