Why Solos Is Detrimental to the Design of Apex (And why you shouldn’t continue begging for it)

[iamtakingcontrolofthedrummachine]

I wanted to write about this because there has been a notable amount of posts in the forum about adding a solos gamemode to Apex, with people raising several reasons for wanting it in the game, from bad teammates to player choice.
First, the main reason why this gamemode is bad for the game is because of the mode itself because of how it quite literally opposes the design philosophy of the game, mainly to do with the balancing of the characters. Certain legends’ abilities are either partially/completely negated (Crypto, Lifeline, Bangalore, every defense except caustic and maybe Rampart) or completely broken (pre-chaos theory Caustic, Wraith, Revenant, Bloodhound, etc.). And even the legends who aren’t in the class of broken or useless are completely outclassed by unbalanced ones (same goes for underpowered legends), which leads to a huge balancing issue with the game, as if balancing for the core game wasn’t enough of a headache for these developers.
Second, another common reason for this gamemode to permanently exist in the game is that people seem to find their teammates a liability that slows them down and gets in their way. However, cooperative and team-based is how the game was designed at its core. to quote a Respawn design director, in response to a player’s frustration with random teammates, as they say “I am going insane over people leaving the game the second they get knocked or sooner. It happens in 80% of matches with randoms:” “We hate this too! […] Clubs’ design is meant to tackle this exact problem […] We are always talking about ways to combat the leavers without being overly punishing to people who are just playing the game the way they want to play […] It won't be solos, as I've explained in the past! (we are a team game. flag planted)”
* https://i.imgur.com/sPXBCuZ.png -here's a good point from that same AMA thread too
Finally, I see people argue that the developers of the game take choice out of the players’ hands by lacking a solos gamemode, but the ends justify the means. If solos were added to the game permanently, it could make the game lose retention of the game’s playerbase because the gamemode is broken and does not work with the game. I’ve seen someone argue that the same thing can happen with solo queue leavers in trios/duos, but that’s what clubs were created to counteract and deal with There’s no doubt that the amount of people complaining about certain legend abilities and weapons would be unparalleled because the gamemode was broken from the start of it’s conception.
TL; DR; Solos is a gamemode that fundamentally opposes how Apex Legends was designed and goes against what the vision that the developers have for the game. Therefore, there’s little to no point asking for it to be added into the game, even if you disagree with me, for the reason I just mentioned (again, to quote another individual from the development team, “[Solos] can lead to an unstable experience [and] isn’t something [they’re] willing to do”). Even if you don’t believe this is a substantive argument against solos, I wouldn’t bother bugging the developers about it online, because it’s highly unlikely to happen any time in the future.
thx

[iamtakingcontrolofthedrummachine]

Postat inițial de Devilish Dave:

Every month there is one guy who has it figured out why solos must be a thing in Apex.
This is probably the 10th such post I've seen on these forums.

No, we do not need permanent solo mode in Apex.
Event is fine.

what is this responding to ?

[Mr.Fluffins]

Solo would be 60 Octanes running around like headless chicken.

[iamtakingcontrolofthedrummachine]

Postat inițial de Mr.Fluffins:

Solo would be 60 Octanes running around like headless chicken.

i think i literally saw that once
iirc a youtuber called zeus formed a massive army of octanes that would run at enemies and melee attack them

[lolschrauber]

this thread aged well

"wE WOnT AdD SoLoS bEcAuSe Of BalAnCe"

Then they add arena where half of abilities are pretty much useless

[iamtakingcontrolofthedrummachine]

Postat inițial de lolschrauber:

this thread aged well

"wE WOnT AdD SoLoS bEcAuSe Of BalAnCe"

Then they add arena where half of abilities are pretty much useless

which ones ?
i'd say pretty much all the offensive legends' abilities are very useful in arenas partially for the same reasons they're useful in normal apex
ditto with defensive and recon legends; i've won a game with caustic, gibraltar and with a rampart on my team bc they were able to hold the ring when the enemy squad were out of it
i thought valk's ult would just help reveal the position of her entire squad, but i've seen people use it to push faster and play really aggro
the only legends' abilities i'd argue are negated are loba and lifeline's ults
loba can get late-round loot from care packages but that's about it
+ i don't think the loot from the lifeline packages are worth getting in arenas

[lolschrauber]

Postat inițial de dr dre from gta online:

Postat inițial de lolschrauber:

this thread aged well

"wE WOnT AdD SoLoS bEcAuSe Of BalAnCe"

Then they add arena where half of abilities are pretty much useless

which ones ?
i'd say pretty much all the offensive legends' abilities are very useful in arenas partially for the same reasons they're useful in normal apex
ditto with defensive and recon legends; i've won a game with caustic, gibraltar and with a rampart on my team bc they were able to hold the ring when the enemy squad were out of it
i thought valk's ult would just help reveal the position of her entire squad, but i've seen people use it to push faster and play really aggro
the only legends' abilities i'd argue are negated are loba and lifeline's ults
loba can get late-round loot from care packages but that's about it
+ i don't think the loot from the lifeline packages are worth getting in arenas

Of course you can win a game with any legend. doesn't mean their abilities are good in those modes. same would be the case for solos

[iamtakingcontrolofthedrummachine]

Postat inițial de lolschrauber:

Postat inițial de dr dre from gta online:

which ones ?
i'd say pretty much all the offensive legends' abilities are very useful in arenas partially for the same reasons they're useful in normal apex
ditto with defensive and recon legends; i've won a game with caustic, gibraltar and with a rampart on my team bc they were able to hold the ring when the enemy squad were out of it
i thought valk's ult would just help reveal the position of her entire squad, but i've seen people use it to push faster and play really aggro
the only legends' abilities i'd argue are negated are loba and lifeline's ults
loba can get late-round loot from care packages but that's about it
+ i don't think the loot from the lifeline packages are worth getting in arenas

Of course you can win a game with any legend. doesn't mean their abilities are good in those modes. same would be the case for solos

i’m just wondering how those abilities aren’t any good in arenas when i’ve seen people use them quite effectively

[Evil Ninetales]

I just fail to understand why apex is the only ( I could be wrong ) BR game out there that has team options but no actual solo mode.

[MizarAce]

Postat inițial de Evil Ninetales:

I just fail to understand why apex is the only ( I could be wrong ) BR game out there that has team options but no actual solo mode.

You can play solo if you want.

[Evil Ninetales]

Postat inițial de MizarAce:

You can play solo if you want.

You know that isn't what I meant. I'm talking about the same thing everyone else is. An actual solo playlist. Not "Queue solo into 1v2 or 1v3".

[MizarAce]

Postat inițial de Evil Ninetales:

Postat inițial de MizarAce:

You can play solo if you want.

You know that isn't what I meant. I'm talking about the same thing everyone else is. An actual solo playlist. Not "Queue solo into 1v2 or 1v3".

Its called warzone and its boring.

Solos mode its impossible to balance since for it to be fair everyone would be forced to play Bangalore.

[Evil Ninetales]

Postat inițial de MizarAce:

Solos mode its impossible to balance since for it to be fair everyone would be forced to play Bangalore.

Nobody is "Forced" to play anything.

I've said it before. If a solo playlist was added and it was really popular that would speak volumes for the number of people that actually want a solo mode.

[MizarAce]

Postat inițial de Evil Ninetales:

Postat inițial de MizarAce:

Solos mode its impossible to balance since for it to be fair everyone would be forced to play Bangalore.

Nobody is "Forced" to play anything.

I've said it before. If a solo playlist was added and it was really popular that would speak volumes for the number of people that actually want a solo mode.

If you dont play the top tier Legend you will lose to those playing it, thats forcing it since it has an advantage over other legends.

Not to mention those who dont own said legend.

[Evil Ninetales]

Postat inițial de MizarAce:

If you dont play the top tier Legend you will lose to those playing it, thats forcing it since it has an advantage over other legends.

Not to mention those who dont own said legend.

Sorry but that's the biggest load of tripe I think I've seen all day today ( And I've seen a lot of discussion threads ).

There is more to the winning factor than what legend you choose and anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

Spacial awareness?
Mechanical skill?
Current Inventory during a fight?

You don't just outright "lose" just because of your legend selection.

Hell ... I've played Mirage more than any other legend in this game and I have no issue holding my own.

[lolschrauber]

Postat inițial de Evil Ninetales:

Postat inițial de MizarAce:

If you dont play the top tier Legend you will lose to those playing it, thats forcing it since it has an advantage over other legends.

Not to mention those who dont own said legend.

Sorry but that's the biggest load of tripe I think I've seen all day today ( And I've seen a lot of discussion threads ).

There is more to the winning factor than what legend you choose and anyone that thinks otherwise is kidding themselves.

Spacial awareness?
Mechanical skill?
Current Inventory during a fight?

You don't just outright "lose" just because of your legend selection.

Hell ... I've played Mirage more than any other legend in this game and I have no issue holding my own.

You can't argue with idiots. Considering the devs cater to idiots, you will never get solo. Deal with it or play something else.