Great game, but I hate the character designs SO much

[VoiD]

That was my biggest gripe with the game ever since release, nobody in the rooster looks appealing in any way with the exception of, maybe Wraith.

And I got a feeling I'm not alone on this, at launch I remember it was impossible to get in a team playing with Wraith without being forced to switch to some random fugly char because everybody was trying to get her, and that was long before anyone realized hitboxes were a thing, after they did it didn't really change much because everyone was trying to get her anyway.

Game could take some character design lessos from those ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Gacha games that manage to sell their characters for hundreds or even thousands of dollars each just because of how good they look through, basically, lootboxes.

Also, I can't understand who in the nine hells thought it would be a good idea to give the only character that looks decent in the game a legendary skin to make her bald, I mean, I wouldn't use that even if I was paid to do so, why would anyone want to pay for that crap?

Sigh

[sugar water]

i feel like OP *might* like horizon

[arte de la puerta]

Bouncing on my boy's ♥♥♥♥ to this post every minute.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by m8:

People who enjoy a game for character aesthetic purposes are apparently not part of the few target audiences that the devs have so far, so if you're in that type of group, I'm guessing this game is definitely not for you.

edit: grammar

This is what I don't get, there are people pretending that there is no problem, and people who know there is one but saying it isn't a problem.

Why would a game be designed around a major flaw to one of it's aspects intentionally?

Originally posted by BigZ:

Originally posted by VoiD:

Gachas banking 100 million++ in under a month after release with subpar content might disagree with that statement.

I just don't see why only eastern devs can get to make competent designs, and western devs can't care about mechanics and designs.

Dude, lay off it already.

I had to google "gachas" just to figure out what the heck you're talking about. It's a predatory gambling form of monetizing F2P games, and was banned in Japan in 2012. It's almost exclusively in Chines and Korean markets today.

So yeah, they made a bunch of money. Probably from gullible people like you. But they sure didn't make money because they're "good developers" or because they have some great characters. Give me a beak, they exploited gambling mechanics, pure and simple.

You are right @ most points, and it doesn't disprove a word I said.
In fact, it reinforces them.

Originally posted by OcarinaBravo:

Originally posted by VoiD:

That was my biggest gripe with the game ever since release, nobody in the rooster looks appealing in any way with the exception of, maybe Wraith.

And I got a feeling I'm not alone on this, at launch I remember it was impossible to get in a team playing with Wraith without being forced to switch to some random fugly char because everybody was trying to get her, and that was long before anyone realized hitboxes were a thing, after they did it didn't really change much because everyone was trying to get her anyway.

Game could take some character design lessos from those ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Gacha games that manage to sell their characters for hundreds or even thousands of dollars each just because of how good they look through, basically, lootboxes.

Also, I can't understand who in the nine hells thought it would be a good idea to give the only character that looks decent in the game a legendary skin to make her bald, I mean, I wouldn't use that even if I was paid to do so, why would anyone want to pay for that crap?

Sigh

I dont feel you are wrong at all. it was our gripe as well (my group of friends) we played anyway but the characters aren't too pleasing or interesting.

Same experience here

Originally posted by Chrimsworth:

i feel like OP *might* like horizon

Do you mean Horizon Zero Dawn? haven't played it, but it looks alright, nothing like Nier Automata tho.

[SERAVE]

eh, everyone looks alright except Gibraltar imo

[[MLM]hiduys]

Gameplay > Characters Sexual appeal.

Each character is designed to be clearly different from another character siluet wise already (See TF2 as another example of that)


Your entire Argument chains fails at the point of looks as looks are purely Subjective, what one person likes another may not. If you do want to argue what a "right" look is then provide statistical evidence both proofing what a "proper" look is as well as statistical evidence what a "wrong" look is in a peer reviewed study as you claim so the entire time but conviniently forget to post any form of concrete evidence backed by actual research.
(You raised the point multiple times as such you´re the one to provide evidence, don´t try to skip on that duty)


Secondly the game is primarely enjoyed for it´s gameplay, not the look of the characters, they look unique, not everyone must participate in a contest of "who can wear the least clothes" Especially in a game that aims for a semi reasonable approach to combat lore and design wise.


Memorable doesn´t mean Sexy but rather unique, something that can be recognized even outside of it´s usual enviroment.


Reading through this thread you kept defending your point based on Gacha games, well known for predatory tactics, which only have the selling point of looks over anything else such as gameplay. Compare their Earnings to those of other great titles, lets take world of warcraft where everyone looks like half a square, practically no gacha game can even compare to the income WoW has Generated and will Generate solely based on it´s size alone.

It seems like, based on your posts, that you have a hard time Grasping the concept of other´s oppinions or capability of properly understanding them which in itself can make one to come to diferent conclusions based on that. I´ll not further dive into that unless necesary.

Not everything has to be eye Candy, not stating eye candy isn´t a good thing that sells well (See character/weapon skins) but claiming it is the only selling point or the largest one is absolutely wrong. A fine example for that is minecraft, it is Pixalated graphics yet it´s the most sold game on this planet there is absolutely nothing Sexy in that game.

You also have to take diferent markets into account, gacha games if they where even legal to begin with in the west, would most certainly not sell that well as most players would see the predatory nature of the game very easily and sub par gameplay which would drive away most players. Western players, as well as the Japanese ones, usually look for gameplay, looks are a neat bonus but not neccesary, see Minecraft, WoW, CS:GO, TF2. They sold due to their gameplay, not their design and none of them would benefit form sex apeal that much if at all as they´re played for their Superb gameplay, not any anime Skins inside of them.




Remember, a proper discussion or argument is not necesarely intented to force or convince someone of another opinion but rather to lay out your own opinion. Do not mistake counter arguments or points as hostility, but rather another person on the other side having another stance than yourself. It is not needed that one proves to be right in such cases but rather to have a conversation and widen your and their view on things, explain what you mean and stand for.
I see your point that design can sell, I don´t disagree with that on it´s own. However I do not suport the fact that it is "the" best or the most lucrative, not for videogames at last, as gameplay is equally important as well as believability and immerson for me. As such I enjoy this game as the Developer took gameplay over eye candy, which is what I look for in games. Others look for good visual designs, such as yourself, which I can understand to a degree, but for me Gameplay always beats visual Design.

[sugar water]

Originally posted by Chrimsworth:

i feel like OP *might* like horizon

Do you mean Horizon Zero Dawn? haven't played it, but it looks alright, nothing like Nier Automata tho. [/quote]
no i meant the new apex character

[Shadic]

no sexy girls grrrr

[Ineedhead]

when the weeb doesnt like it when characters have actual facial structure instead of being flat faced

[Mr. Croissant]

Local coomer trolls the steam forums, more at 11

[Pape]

Originally posted by MLMhiduys:

Gameplay > Characters Sexual appeal.

Each character is designed to be clearly different from another character siluet wise already (See TF2 as another example of that)


Your entire Argument chains fails at the point of looks as looks are purely Subjective, what one person likes another may not. If you do want to argue what a "right" look is then provide statistical evidence both proofing what a "proper" look is as well as statistical evidence what a "wrong" look is in a peer reviewed study as you claim so the entire time but conviniently forget to post any form of concrete evidence backed by actual research.
(You raised the point multiple times as such you´re the one to provide evidence, don´t try to skip on that duty)


Secondly the game is primarely enjoyed for it´s gameplay, not the look of the characters, they look unique, not everyone must participate in a contest of "who can wear the least clothes" Especially in a game that aims for a semi reasonable approach to combat lore and design wise.


Memorable doesn´t mean Sexy but rather unique, something that can be recognized even outside of it´s usual enviroment.


Reading through this thread you kept defending your point based on Gacha games, well known for predatory tactics, which only have the selling point of looks over anything else such as gameplay. Compare their Earnings to those of other great titles, lets take world of warcraft where everyone looks like half a square, practically no gacha game can even compare to the income WoW has Generated and will Generate solely based on it´s size alone.

It seems like, based on your posts, that you have a hard time Grasping the concept of other´s oppinions or capability of properly understanding them which in itself can make one to come to diferent conclusions based on that. I´ll not further dive into that unless necesary.

Not everything has to be eye Candy, not stating eye candy isn´t a good thing that sells well (See character/weapon skins) but claiming it is the only selling point or the largest one is absolutely wrong. A fine example for that is minecraft, it is Pixalated graphics yet it´s the most sold game on this planet there is absolutely nothing Sexy in that game.

You also have to take diferent markets into account, gacha games if they where even legal to begin with in the west, would most certainly not sell that well as most players would see the predatory nature of the game very easily and sub par gameplay which would drive away most players. Western players, as well as the Japanese ones, usually look for gameplay, looks are a neat bonus but not neccesary, see Minecraft, WoW, CS:GO, TF2. They sold due to their gameplay, not their design and none of them would benefit form sex apeal that much if at all as they´re played for their Superb gameplay, not any anime Skins inside of them.




Remember, a proper discussion or argument is not necesarely intented to force or convince someone of another opinion but rather to lay out your own opinion. Do not mistake counter arguments or points as hostility, but rather another person on the other side having another stance than yourself. It is not needed that one proves to be right in such cases but rather to have a conversation and widen your and their view on things, explain what you mean and stand for.
I see your point that design can sell, I don´t disagree with that on it´s own. However I do not suport the fact that it is "the" best or the most lucrative, not for videogames at last, as gameplay is equally important as well as believability and immerson for me. As such I enjoy this game as the Developer took gameplay over eye candy, which is what I look for in games. Others look for good visual designs, such as yourself, which I can understand to a degree, but for me Gameplay always beats visual Design.

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[Doom MD]

Originally posted by VoiD:

That was my biggest gripe with the game ever since release, nobody in the rooster looks appealing in any way with the exception of, maybe Wraith.

And I got a feeling I'm not alone on this, at launch I remember it was impossible to get in a team playing with Wraith without being forced to switch to some random fugly char because everybody was trying to get her, and that was long before anyone realized hitboxes were a thing, after they did it didn't really change much because everyone was trying to get her anyway.

Game could take some character design lessos from those ♥♥♥♥♥♥ Gacha games that manage to sell their characters for hundreds or even thousands of dollars each just because of how good they look through, basically, lootboxes.

Also, I can't understand who in the nine hells thought it would be a good idea to give the only character that looks decent in the game a legendary skin to make her bald, I mean, I wouldn't use that even if I was paid to do so, why would anyone want to pay for that crap?

Sigh

You don’t like Burger King Kids Club: Battle Royale? It does seem a little on the nose to make the only white male “toxic”.

[Plaguelight]

I don't get to see myself outside of executions, which are rare enough to perform without getting shot during it, so why would I care about which character I was playing outside of skills?

Hell, make them all into Fat Albert and I'll still pick whichever Albert has the skillset I want to make use of this match. :|

[ChaosBuster]

YES finally someone thought the same thing! I agree all the characters looks so unappealing, I haven't seen such bad character design in a game. Even Wraith looks ugly, her teeth looks so dirty lol. And the new lady Horizon looks like an old hag

[Plaguelight]

Originally posted by ChaosBuster:

YES finally someone thought the same thing! I agree all the characters looks so unappealing, I haven't seen such bad character design in a game. Even Wraith looks ugly, her teeth looks so dirty lol. And the new lady Horizon looks like an old hag

This is Apex Legends, not Waifu Legends. Not meant to be full of beautiful people here, bub. Besides, if they were all lookers, you'd never want to shoot them!

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Plaguelight:

Originally posted by ChaosBuster:

YES finally someone thought the same thing! I agree all the characters looks so unappealing, I haven't seen such bad character design in a game. Even Wraith looks ugly, her teeth looks so dirty lol. And the new lady Horizon looks like an old hag

This is Apex Legends, not Waifu Legends. Not meant to be full of beautiful people here, bub. Besides, if they were all lookers, you'd never want to shoot them!

I like you, you're being honest.
Not pretending like the fugliest things to ever plague gaming look good in any way, or trying to make up excuses to distract from the subject, you know they are fugly and you're fine with it, some people aren't, that's the point of the thread.