tell me its gonna get better.. xD

[scubbasteve9991]

just got ck 3 and first play through ever i picked england and just got wrecked from the north and south :/ lol internet says its a rite of passage? lol xD i will say i kinda like it already. only got like an hour and a half in and i see my total war knowledge mean all of dookie here

[scubbasteve9991]

and i only have the base game. only dlc im looking at wanting is the tours and tourney dlc. worth it? and am i missing that much w/o dlcs? i know how paradox is w the drip feed dlc content stuffs :/

[Deleyoterk]

England is actually a somewhat difficult start. Viking invasions are no joke and there is a lot going on. I would recommend like Ireland or some other place that you only have to worry about one front to start.

[Deusmodeus]

you picked the hardest starting zone.
welcome aboard.

[Jackets]

You must master Ireland, before you play England

[scubbasteve9991]

Originally posted by Deleyoterk:

England is actually a somewhat difficult start. Viking invasions are no joke and there is a lot going on. I would recommend like Ireland or some other place that you only have to worry about one front to start.

Originally posted by Deusmodeus:

you picked the hardest starting zone.
welcome aboard.

yea it def didnt go well xD i used auto army after it started and they just kinda ran around in circles attacking and retreating lol so im guessing using auto recruitment only?

[Devil_JCS]

Sounds like you tried playing England in !066. That's not as bad as 867 England, but that's still extremely difficult due to the Norman invasion AND the Norse one coming at the same time. The only start date for England that's not TOO rough is 1178, but you end up with a family that absolutely hates you and each other. Plus a realm that is pretty unstable. It's no walk in the park either.

The better starts for newbies are:
1066 Ireland (tutorial)
867 Haesteinn (overpowered character, just don't stay in France and be sure to Murder King Charles the Bald or get out of his diplomatic range ASAP. Turn off old age traits too or Haesteinn will be spammed by them and probably die after 5-10 years instead of making it to 80+)
867 Byzantine Empire (pretty stable for the most part; being a vassal is fine too)
1178 Saladin (conqueror start)
867 Ivar the Boneless, Halfdan Whiteshirt or Bjorn Ironside starts (extremely powerful Viking rulers, especially with the Northern Lords DLC)

There's more but those are off the top of my head.

I know some people recommend Bohemia but I can't recommend that one for newbies myself unless it's 1066 or 1178. 867 Bohemia is trapped between strong Christian rulers that will spam you with holy wars unless you convert ASAP (they'll still try to fabricate claims and go for you anyway if you convert) and tribal Slavs that will raid you like mad and try to conquer your land eventually (plus the strongest Polish leader gets conqueror pretty often, which is a huge headache).

[tonechild]

For 867, there's a few starts I can think of that are much easier than most of europe (aside from spain)
Saffarid is pretty good, starts as conqueror and has really good stats, easy to expand with, you can make your own religion pretty easily with this one as well and form persian empire pretty easily.
Duchy of Galicia also fun, kinda tricky at first but you can pretty much make hispania with him if you take advantage of the frienship with asturius and do holy wars as al-andulus just falls apart.
Chola in SE india also has a strong start, conqueror trait in 867.
Britian, france, and germany area is totally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in 867 and would stay away from because its constant backstabbing, factions, instability.

[scubbasteve9991]

Originally posted by Devil_JCS:

Sounds like you tried playing England in !066. That's not as bad as 867 England, but that's still extremely difficult due to the Norman invasion AND the Norse one coming at the same time. The only start date for England that's not TOO rough is 1178, but you end up with a family that absolutely hates you and each other. Plus a realm that is pretty unstable. It's no walk in the park either.

The better starts for newbies are:
1066 Ireland (tutorial)
867 Haesteinn (overpowered character, just don't stay in France and be sure to Murder King Charles the Bald or get out of his diplomatic range ASAP. Turn off old age traits too or Haesteinn will be spammed by them and probably die after 5-10 years instead of making it to 80+)
867 Byzantine Empire (pretty stable for the most part; being a vassal is fine too)
1178 Saladin (conqueror start)
867 Ivar the Boneless, Halfdan Whiteshirt or Bjorn Ironside starts (extremely powerful Viking rulers, especially with the Northern Lords DLC)

There's more but those are off the top of my head.

I know some people recommend Bohemia but I can't recommend that one for newbies myself unless it's 1066 or 1178. 867 Bohemia is trapped between strong Christian rulers that will spam you with holy wars unless you convert ASAP (they'll still try to fabricate claims and go for you anyway if you convert) and tribal Slavs that will raid you like mad and try to conquer your land eventually (plus the strongest Polish leader gets conqueror pretty often, which is a huge headache).

Originally posted by tonechild:

For 867, there's a few starts I can think of that are much easier than most of europe (aside from spain)
Saffarid is pretty good, starts as conqueror and has really good stats, easy to expand with, you can make your own religion pretty easily with this one as well and form persian empire pretty easily.
Duchy of Galicia also fun, kinda tricky at first but you can pretty much make hispania with him if you take advantage of the frienship with asturius and do holy wars as al-andulus just falls apart.
Chola in SE india also has a strong start, conqueror trait in 867.
Britian, france, and germany area is totally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in 867 and would stay away from because its constant backstabbing, factions, instability.

yup 1066 lol i made my own dude for it. ill probably end up going back to ireland and finish it out. would it be easier to start as a duchy or something small? i think i can do that right? lol

[Devil_JCS]

Originally posted by scubbasteve9991:

yup 1066 lol i made my own dude for it. ill probably end up going back to ireland and finish it out. would it be easier to start as a duchy or something small? i think i can do that right? lol

Typically duchies are the way to go. So long as it's not a weak duchy (in Ireland, that's not really an issue). There's less instability since you may have a count or 2. Plus, you get a massive positive opinion modifier for giving out titles. When you become a king, that king's rule tends to have minimal factions until his death. Unless you have a bunch of ambitious or greedy vassals, then nevermind (never give those people land unless they have the just trait too).

[scubbasteve9991]

Originally posted by Devil_JCS:

Originally posted by scubbasteve9991:

yup 1066 lol i made my own dude for it. ill probably end up going back to ireland and finish it out. would it be easier to start as a duchy or something small? i think i can do that right? lol

Typically duchies are the way to go. So long as it's not a weak duchy (in Ireland, that's not really an issue). There's less instability since you may have a count or 2. Plus, you get a massive positive opinion modifier for giving out titles. When you become a king, that king's rule tends to have minimal factions until his death. Unless you have a bunch of ambitious or greedy vassals, then nevermind (never give those people land unless they have the just trait too).

ahh so if i start small i can work my way up and make as many allies as i can on the way. like setting up a foundation of peace of sorts?

[Devil_JCS]

Originally posted by scubbasteve9991:

Originally posted by Devil_JCS:

Typically duchies are the way to go. So long as it's not a weak duchy (in Ireland, that's not really an issue). There's less instability since you may have a count or 2. Plus, you get a massive positive opinion modifier for giving out titles. When you become a king, that king's rule tends to have minimal factions until his death. Unless you have a bunch of ambitious or greedy vassals, then nevermind (never give those people land unless they have the just trait too).

ahh so if i start small i can work my way up and make as many allies as i can on the way. like setting up a foundation of peace of sorts?

Pretty much. Though that's through warfare mostly since you'll be conquering land then giving the new land to your courtiers (or just some randomly generated noble).

If you vassalize an existing ruler, they do get some positive opinion (+10), but that's about it. To vassalize a ruler they typically have to have a high opinion of you in the first place though, so it's usually fine (plus, if they're a count in a duchy you don't intend to hold yourself, you can give that to them and that gives a whopping +60).

EDIT: Also, be careful when giving out titles. Don't accidently give out a duchy title when you're only a duke yourself. lol

[scubbasteve9991]

Originally posted by Devil_JCS:

Originally posted by scubbasteve9991:

ahh so if i start small i can work my way up and make as many allies as i can on the way. like setting up a foundation of peace of sorts?

Pretty much. Though that's through warfare mostly since you'll be conquering land then giving the new land to your courtiers (or just some randomly generated noble).

If you vassalize an existing ruler, they do get some positive opinion (+10), but that's about it. To vassalize a ruler they typically have to have a high opinion of you in the first place though, so it's usually fine (plus, if they're a count in a duchy you don't intend to hold yourself, you can give that to them and that gives a whopping +60).

thankee :)

[lost]

mfw i play a strategy game and im not good at it instantly.

[scubbasteve9991]

Originally posted by lost:

mfw i play a strategy game and im not good at it instantly.

lol i dont expect to be good at anything instantly

[Deusmodeus]

I'd recommend trying out a Mid-Slav Land start between Russia and Poland. Give you room to grow and expand outside the occasional conqueror.