Bring back Survival Mode and Nuclear Winter!

[Illtempered]

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[Illtempered]

Origineel geplaatst door SerialGamer:

Few players played PvP and that was why those features were removed:

https://www.vg247.com/bethesda-was-surprised-how-few-people-wanted-to-take-part-in-pvp-in-fallout-76

Of course, players didn't play them most likely because they were not well-designed. Bethesda can make all these band-aid fixes to the game, but it can't fix fundamental core gameplay shortcomings.

All they needed to do to fix the Survival Mode was remove V.A.T.S. from PVP and fix some of the ability to spam consumables. For those people recommending Fallout 4 Survival Mode, please don't make me laugh. There is no comparison to real vault-dwellers hunting you down.

[Illtempered]

Origineel geplaatst door Mooman:

PvP players are crying whiners... How long has it been gone now?

And that is why it'll never come back. The personality of those whiners aren't the people Bethesda want around any more.

If you want 'Fallout' PvP go play the Fortnite collaboration. It's more inline with your juvenile personalities.

You mad?

[Diarmuhnd]

Origineel geplaatst door Illtempered:

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They couldn't stop cheaters in Nuclear Winter ...
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2250203369
They tried ... there were so many other ways players cheated in Nuclear winter
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2251699426
But even with those cheaters, it was fun pvp, I do miss Nuclear Winter
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2251701314

[Didaibr]

I played on PS4 near the end of Nuclear Winter, and every time there was people playing, never had to wait for a match to start and even though it was a mess I kind enjoyed some matchs and I actually got to max rank, its a shame that's on my PSN account

[Wade]

This game desperately needs two more PVE mods: NORMAL and HARD. Because right now everyone plays on SUPER EASY and it is so boring.

I don't care for PVP or Nulcear Winter, but many people liked so I think Bethesda should bring it back.

One of the reasons my Steam review for F76 is NEGATIVE is because Bethesda forces all players to play this dumb, super easy mod.

[Good Old Jim]

Origineel geplaatst door Mooman:

PvP players are crying whiners... How long has it been gone now?

And that is why it'll never come back. The personality of those whiners aren't the people Bethesda want around any more.

If you want 'Fallout' PvP go play the Fortnite collaboration. It's more inline with your juvenile personalities.

Who in PvP hurt you?

[cougarshamn]

Origineel geplaatst door Good Old Jim:

Origineel geplaatst door Mooman:

PvP players are crying whiners... How long has it been gone now?

And that is why it'll never come back. The personality of those whiners aren't the people Bethesda want around any more.

If you want 'Fallout' PvP go play the Fortnite collaboration. It's more inline with your juvenile personalities.

Who in PvP hurt you?

all the cheaters, hackers, and exploiters.... Not saying all PvPers are cheaters, but invariably, people who cheat and grief do use PvP to do their griefing..

[Wolf]

PvP doesn't matter because people are going to cheat and ruin it, like in every online game.
I think hardmode for PVE would be really cool.
After getting some power armor and good gear, the game turns to story mode difficulty.

[Prussian_Dude]

Origineel geplaatst door Illtempered:

Origineel geplaatst door Prussian_Dude:

Nuclear Winter, on PC was full of Flying, Aim botters. They kept, killing all the players for hours, making the weekly and daily assignments, murder. Clearing the lobbies of players. Not to mention the players hiding under the map. Getting to 100 Overseer Rank, was not fun, and giving up after a round or 2, or only playing during double experience, was the only way.

Bethesda, would have to have something about those hackers. How high the players was, what was under them, to ketch the no clip flyers, and under the map, so a confirmed bottom to the map. So, Bethesda, did not fix it, and removed removed the mode, of the Nuclear Winter Beta.

I did not get to check out survival mode. Losing your aid items,and junk.
When your just starting out was not fun. Also, the rise of the Food build.

Though this did happen, especially on the last weekend before they pulled the plug, it wasn't a very common occurrence before that. We had countless hours of fraggin nubs in NW. Many of them came to the forums to cry "HAX", and appear to still be here.

I started to play, One year after the launch of Fallout 76, after Bethesda Finally stopped constant patching over December. I have a slow Internet. Survival mode, was not appealing with all the high level players, and the Explosive weapons, that were removed before I got to level 50. So playing with people that had better luck getting a Explosive weapon, or that not with terms of service, bought a weapon with real money. That really sounds like fun, I wonder why, Survival did not attract more players.

Survival was removed by the time, I got to about level 32. I played Nuclear Winter, after I Capped out for the day. I wanted the BoS Mini-gun Skin, If I remember was at Level 50, and the Atom Cats Skin for the Missile Launcher. Sadly there were hackers, even when, I started, a after year. When I started, playing Nuclear Winter.

Putting all the turrets, in a the same spot, clipping together, and so they would shoot all directions, I was there for that. I stayed to the end of the match, saw players under the map.
Watch, the hackers sprinting in the air, in power armor, shooting all the players, on the map, to the end. The only hope, for the weekly assignments was to leave, after the hacker killed you, was to try to get a full Nuclear Winter lobby, before they finished off the server. It was not just at the last few weeks. I used 2 seasons, and before, when ever Bethesda had double xp, and played Nuclear Winter, until I got tired of being in lobbies, with hackers on PC.
It was not just the last week, but constant. Getting a clean Nuclear Winter game, was more of an exception then a rule.
No Anti-Cheat, no way of the game having a kill zone under the map, no flag, for players being above the map for longer, the a jump from the Frog legs mutation Nuclear Winter Perk card, or checking if you actually dropped down, from a height. There was no, Jet pack in Nuclear Winter, no Coffee, or food. So, yea, I was there, to get no enjoyment, from the Hackers, and that killed Nuclear Winter Mode on PC, and crushed its numbers.

I got my overseer rank 100 about month, before the Nuclear winter servers went down. It help with the overseer points that transferred to, the "new" at the time Legendary Perks system. I was spamming Pictures, for the other 3 characters, to try to get them points for the Legendary Perks, via the Overseer Rank, and Perk Cards, I don't quite remember, if it was both Overseer Rank and Perk Cards in Nuclear Winter, for what counted for the "new" Legendary system.



I got to enjoy, All items, not in a container, being strip-mined, by some player with hacks, in the main game. Constant, Server Crashes with the Dupers of, weapons, plans, and armor, etc.

I missed the Early Days, of only low 700 weight stash, making a un-grief-able camp, out of Concrete Foundations. I had enough fun, Keeping my camp up. I finally broke down, after my Secondary Character, got mugged at a Workshop, by a Fallout First Sales person. Now with Fallout First, they can enjoy getting their own junk. Now, I don't wait for the server, to go down in 30 minutes, to capture a workshop, for Season Score.

I enjoyed, the day one, deletion of my per-order download, for Fallout 76. Since, it took me 3 weeks, to get the 50 Gigabytes download. But, Battlefield 5, was coming out 2 weeks after the launch, of Fallout 76. So, I tried to download when, I was not playing BFV, But, After about twenty Gigabytes, a patch was released, and reset the download. I Stop, trying after 6 months. Then got a larger hard drive, and lucked into a window of time, with out patches, and could play. I activated my STEAM version, after, 3 days, of Wastelanders, crashing after 3 Gigabytes, of downloading. So much for my few (200-300) hundred Atoms, stuck on the Bethesda Launcher.

I still have yet, to play Starfield, due to my slow internet. And the constant patching, resetting the download on STEAM. after about 60 Gigabytes, But could not get to the last 20, to 30. I guess, I missed another window, of no patches, but at least, I can still return it. If I get frustrated, with more patches. I miss the days, of Having a disk, and just downloading the patches. Not downloading the new build each time, because I was short 20 Gigabytes, before some 1.2 Gigabyte patch comes out.

[Jeff Kaos]

Origineel geplaatst door Dreth:

Origineel geplaatst door Mooman:

PvP players are crying whiners... How long has it been gone now?

And that is why it'll never come back. The personality of those whiners aren't the people Bethesda want around any more.

If you want 'Fallout' PvP go play the Fortnite collaboration. It's more inline with your juvenile personalities.

You are stereotyping players who enjoy something you don't, you call them juvenile and tell them to stop playing a game, despite these gamemodes being seperate from your experience and has no effect on your gameplay whatsoever.

You are the juvenile.

I have to agree with this guy. Name one game where PvP is a part of it where the PvP'ers don't constantly complain about the mode. Everyone who plays PvP wants it to be specifically designed for them to win and everyone else to lose and they constantly and consistently whine and complain until they get their way. But they never do because like I said they want "All for me, none for thee". Seriously, I can't stress enough how much PvP players ruin good games. Every time a weapon or power is nerfed it can almost ALWAYS be traced to PvP players complaining about it.

[PotatoBasket]

Origineel geplaatst door Illtempered:

Though this did happen, especially on the last weekend before they pulled the plug, it wasn't a very common occurrence before that. We had countless hours of fraggin nubs in NW. Many of them came to the forums to cry "HAX", and appear to still be here.

I guess I'll avoid getting into a flame battle with you about this since we disagree on nearly every topic. I would state that whether overtly implemented it was a minority of matches that were not exploited; often times "hackers" would team with players entirely ignorant of their cheats or "extras-curricular" behavior. Two players actually worked on individual users' computers to "optimize" their performance in Nuclear Winter (within the largest 76 social group at the time). And that was just the tip of the ice berg. Whether or not all players were aware of it exploited mechanics were constantly used within Nuclear Winter and those players bled their breakages into other game modes.

**As I stated at least a year ago when you used this account for a very similar thread, OP, it was it's time. Let it go. We can both hope for something better made so we can once again emulate annihilating each other, but until then stay safe 76er, see you out there

[Illtempered]

Origineel geplaatst door PotatoBasket:

Origineel geplaatst door Illtempered:

Though this did happen, especially on the last weekend before they pulled the plug, it wasn't a very common occurrence before that. We had countless hours of fraggin nubs in NW. Many of them came to the forums to cry "HAX", and appear to still be here.

I guess I'll avoid getting into a flame battle with you about this since we disagree on nearly every topic. I would state that whether overtly implemented it was a minority of matches that were not exploited; often times "hackers" would team with players entirely ignorant of their cheats or "extras-curricular" behavior. Two players actually worked on individual users' computers to "optimize" their performance in Nuclear Winter (within the largest 76 social group at the time). And that was just the tip of the ice berg. Whether or not all players were aware of it exploited mechanics were constantly used within Nuclear Winter and those players bled their breakages into other game modes.

**As I stated at least a year ago when you used this account for a very similar thread, OP, it was it's time. Let it go. We can both hope for something better made so we can once again emulate annihilating each other, but until then stay safe 76er, see you out there :VBCOOL:

Then how did we win so many matches? Let me guess. We were cheaters too? lul...

[PotatoBasket]

Origineel geplaatst door Illtempered:

Then how did we win so many matches? Let me guess. We were cheaters too? lul...

I mean, the Bush Wookies were the true Kings of NW - as awful as that is, and not to mention tf AFKers. it's reason enough for them to revamp it.

How did we legitimately win matches while dealing with wall/bobblehead exploits, turret breaks at whim (shotgun?) and turret stacking, flying (swimming through the top layer of the game world), nuclear briefcase cheats (instant launches upon match start/nukes dropped centered on enemy teams simultaneously), perfect aim, infinite ammo, damage exploits from increased drug potency, etc...? Well that's where the fun lay in it for me, and if it was for you as well then it's one thing we agree on.

However if you won "so many matches" it's likely that someone you teamed with or even you in ignorance could have been engaging heavily with exploits. I know I teamed on public teams with shady people by accident on a multitude of occasions (that infamous fella who Revolver one shotter from across map - yes I blocked him and he proceeded to add me to his kill list - lol). I also teamed with some exceedingly good players who took pride in their PvP skills - and pity upon me.

[Zeoplez]

I suggest checking out reddit.com/r/Server76/ it's probably your best bet for NW.

[Wulfen]

Origineel geplaatst door Mooman:

PvP players are crying whiners... How long has it been gone now?

And that is why it'll never come back. The personality of those whiners aren't the people Bethesda want around any more.

If you want 'Fallout' PvP go play the Fortnite collaboration. It's more inline with your juvenile personalities.

This comment was pretty juvenile also.