So clear up Pacifist Mode for me.

[Cutlass Jack]

According to like everyone I saw on this forum, you can just turn on Pacifist mode and never have to worry about PvP. So checking this option I notice this little end comment on the description:

"You can still be murdered by other players."

So am I reading this correctly and Pacifist mode only keeps me from killing others and not others from killing me? (Which kind of defats the point, in my opinon.) Or is the game just explaining badly?

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Vendon:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

That is 100% false and has been proven so repeatedly. If you got killed in PvP without engaging one of two things happened

1. You were involved in a workshop which puts you in PvP
2. You were in a team with someone else who triggered PvP and put entire team into PvP

It has NEVER been possible to kill someone as your describing without them engaging in PvP whether knowingly or not. Any attack, no matter how much damage it does is negated to a minimal amount where you have to sit there for minutes while someone tries to paper cut you to death.

Pls stop posting wrong informations here. I got killed allot while pacefist was turned on. The description even tells it that you CAN get killed. Gosh ppl and their IQ these days.

Before you go around insulting people i'd suggest taking the time to actually play the game sometime in the last year.....

You are posting old outdated information, the slap damage you refer to was removed over a year ago - https://fallout.bethesda.net/en/article/62MOIbuwGb2pCFNuRKwYJo/fallout-76-wild-appalachia-patch-notes-march-26-2019

All incoming damage from players you are not hostile with (A.K.A. “slap” damage) will now be automatically reduced to zero, effectively removing slap damage from Adventure Mode.

Also discussed - https://www.newsweek.com/fallout-76-patch-notes-update-75-1375540

Publicado originalmente por Kurumi Tokisaki:

Publicado originalmente por JocularJosh:

But he is right, I experienced this exact thing yesterday and today.
I walked into a workshop area that was being contested and nobody was able to hurt me. I was just standing there, witnessing the chaos.

if you're in the area right when someone inits a capture, it will force you into PvP, i've killed many pacifists this way.

Also again, same patch

Contesting an owned Workshop is still considered a hostile action. If a player attempts to contest a Workshop you own, or you attempt to contest another player’s Workshop, you will be open to taking full damage from their attacks.

Have to contest workshop, not just walk into it or be in the area.....

[Cutlass Jack]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Before you go around insulting people i'd suggest taking the time to actually play the game sometime in the last year.....

This thread was created based on what it says in the actual game description *today.* Its incredibly specific about the whole 'You can be Murdered' thing.

I think its safest to assume its still possible somehow until they change that.

There's also a full screen game popup that appeared when I hit level 5 (when Pacifist becomes optional) that specifically mentions that someone can hit you for reduced damage if you're not in PvP mode (full damage) or grouped with them (no damage). Seems like an odd thing not to update with the big relaunch.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Cutlass Jack:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

Before you go around insulting people i'd suggest taking the time to actually play the game sometime in the last year.....

This thread was created based on what it says in the actual game description *today.* Its incredibly specific about the whole 'You can be Murdered' thing.

I think its safest to assume its still possible somehow until they change that.

Except it isn't as several people have pointed out. If the pacifist mode says otherwise then its an old typo they never updated when they changed it.

So as of TODAY, you cannot be murdered with pacifist mode on via most ways. Someone did say a nuke mine could technically kill you from the radiation damage side effect of it though.

You can see for yourself, just hop in game and ask someone to shoot you.

[Brian9824]

FYI here is an updated primer someone made on it that explains it well

https://bethesda.net/community/topic/335058/slap-damage-and-pacifist-mode-a-primer-revised/2?language%5B%5D=en

So as previously stated the claims that you can be murdered while in pacifist mode without entering PvP is false, and its 100% false that you can be killed at a workshop without triggering pacifist mode.

Any dialogue referencing the old way was just never updated

[Warmanreaper]

Publicado originalmente por Vendon:

There is a pacefist mode but it only protects the attacker. I was lvl 170 back then and got killed with 2 shots by someone running around. You don't have to accept the fight, the dmg has just to be high enough. So this option is the dumbest I have ever dealt with. So there is NO way to avoid PvP no matter who tells you something else.

^ This is 100% wrong. Since they nerfed damage by almost an INFINITE AMOUNT. I've had players in the 100s, even 200s attack me and they don't do damage to me. The damage mitigation is around 99.9% as its not even noticable. Pvp is 100% avoidable.

[ImNeuman]

Publicado originalmente por Warmanreaper:

Publicado originalmente por Vendon:

There is a pacefist mode but it only protects the attacker. I was lvl 170 back then and got killed with 2 shots by someone running around. You don't have to accept the fight, the dmg has just to be high enough. So this option is the dumbest I have ever dealt with. So there is NO way to avoid PvP no matter who tells you something else.

^ This is 100% wrong. Since they nerfed damage by almost an INFINITE AMOUNT. I've had players in the 100s, even 200s attack me and they don't do damage to me. The damage mitigation is around 99.9% as its not even noticable. Pvp is 100% avoidable.

Agree, had a guy that had use cheated weapons, and used a modded fatman and launched a ton at my camp, nothing broke and I didn't die.

[Brian9824]

Yep - as i mentioned slap damage was removed over a year ago. You take NO damage now.
https://fallout.bethesda.net/en/article/62MOIbuwGb2pCFNuRKwYJo/fallout-76-wild-appalachia-patch-notes-march-26-2019

Just like a lot of the reviews its funny how people keep posting really old outdated information and trying to pass it off as how the game actually works....

Publicado originalmente por Warmanreaper:

Publicado originalmente por Vendon:

There is a pacefist mode but it only protects the attacker. I was lvl 170 back then and got killed with 2 shots by someone running around. You don't have to accept the fight, the dmg has just to be high enough. So this option is the dumbest I have ever dealt with. So there is NO way to avoid PvP no matter who tells you something else.

^ This is 100% wrong. Since they nerfed damage by almost an INFINITE AMOUNT. I've had players in the 100s, even 200s attack me and they don't do damage to me. The damage mitigation is around 99.9% as its not even noticable. Pvp is 100% avoidable.

It's 100%, they did it over a year ago

[Blueheaven]

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

FYI here is an updated primer someone made on it that explains it well

https://bethesda.net/community/topic/335058/slap-damage-and-pacifist-mode-a-primer-revised/2?language%5B%5D=en

So as previously stated the claims that you can be murdered while in pacifist mode without entering PvP is false, and its 100% false that you can be killed at a workshop without triggering pacifist mode.

Any dialogue referencing the old way was just never updated

You are obviously a troll because there is no way that they would leave such a glaring error in the text. It is impossible.

[JocularJosh]

Publicado originalmente por Blueheaven:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

FYI here is an updated primer someone made on it that explains it well

https://bethesda.net/community/topic/335058/slap-damage-and-pacifist-mode-a-primer-revised/2?language%5B%5D=en

So as previously stated the claims that you can be murdered while in pacifist mode without entering PvP is false, and its 100% false that you can be killed at a workshop without triggering pacifist mode.

Any dialogue referencing the old way was just never updated

You are obviously a troll because there is no way that they would leave such a glaring error in the text. It is impossible.

This Bethesda we are talking about and he gave you more than enough proof.
Don't believe him?
See for yourself. You own the game. Boot it up and give it a shot.

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Blueheaven:

Publicado originalmente por brian9824:

FYI here is an updated primer someone made on it that explains it well

https://bethesda.net/community/topic/335058/slap-damage-and-pacifist-mode-a-primer-revised/2?language%5B%5D=en

So as previously stated the claims that you can be murdered while in pacifist mode without entering PvP is false, and its 100% false that you can be killed at a workshop without triggering pacifist mode.

Any dialogue referencing the old way was just never updated

You are obviously a troll because there is no way that they would leave such a glaring error in the text. It is impossible.

Did you even read it? It even mentions the in game instructions are wrong in the very first paragraph. It was changed back when they introduced survival servers as beta, and they haven't finalized how they want PvP to behave with their temporary removal.

But hey, you don't need to take my word for it, its been confirmed by a half dozen people so far, documented on the forums by dozens more, and you are free to try it for yourself.

[Cutlass Jack]

Again, this is directly from what the currently game tells new players, so not outdated, even if incorrect.

But ultimately for the sake of my question it doesn't matter so no real reasonto bicker about who's 'right.' Either answer covers what I was really worried about: The possibility that there was a specific 'murder' mechanic. For example, sneaking behind someone in a public area and murder knifing them.

And nothing like that at all came up in this thread, so I'm good. Admittedly I probably could have been clearer about that. Thanks again for everyone's input, experiences and links.

[Tilarta]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2063537986

[Brian9824]

Publicado originalmente por Tilarta:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2063537986

I mean its common sense really, you even get a quest to help defend it which makes no sense if you could be killed by just showing up. But hey this game has set records for people trying to spread misinformation to try to attack the game in desperation because they can't stand to see people enjoy themselves.....

[Bored Peon]

Was going to answer, but what is the point. You people have argued back and forth and thrown so much information out there you are confusing everyone.

If you do not ever want to PVP do these things.
1. Turn on pacifist.
2. Never claim a workshop.
3. Never group with someone who is pvp flagged.

Follow them three rules and another player can not pvp kill you.

[BAITness]

Publicado originalmente por Bored Peon:

Was going to answer, but what is the point. You people have argued back and forth and thrown so much information out there you are confusing everyone.

If you do not ever want to PVP do these things.
1. Turn on pacifist.
2. Never claim a workshop.
3. Never group with someone who is pvp flagged.

Follow them three rules and another player can not pvp kill you.

Isn't going for workshops still the best way to farm blueprints?