Who are the good guys?

[Aevi_]

I feel like Disrupt are the good guys but at the same time I feel like... blah blah blah are the good guys as well.

TRY NOT TO SAY TOO MANY SPOILERS!!!

[Lemexis]

I can't say better than it's already been said in the first few pages by x_equals_speed so see my message as an upvote or something, but neither organization is really good or bad, it's the people in them who are good or bad. And the top leardership of both Advance and Disrupt are criminal.

So, to me, the real good guy here is Jeremy, because he is doing what the media should be doing and never actually do: simply showing the truth, without taking sides, and letting demanding that their audience just think for one second and try to make an informed decision by themselves.

[Ad Hominem]

Originally posted by Lemexis:

the real good guy here is Jeremy

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[Rondaxen]

Jeremy Donaldson. Truth fears no investigation, and Jeremy fought for the truth which is the most honorable choice.

Advance is obviously the villains because...well....obvious reasons. (Nuking a bunch of people because they cannot do warfare honorably, sterilizing their population for whatever reason, general oppressive government, etc).

Disrupt is also bad because it supports the rich elites. Although, I believe the actual fighters for Disrupt weren't particularly bad, they didn't really know who they were fighting for which you can't blame them, all they wanted was freedom, so that's pretty fair.

I am not gonna say what my ideology is but my ideology is in support of the TRUTH, which is what Donaldson of course fought for, and I believe he is really the only good voice. Both Disrupt and Advance tried censoring certain things, which is also pretty bad.

[Dekar_Serverbot]

Originally posted by Rondaxen:

Jeremy Donaldson. Truth fears no investigation, and Jeremy fought for the truth which is the most honorable choice.

Advance is obviously the villains because...well....obvious reasons. (Nuking a bunch of people because they cannot do warfare honorably, sterilizing their population for whatever reason, general oppressive government, etc).

Disrupt is also bad because it supports the rich elites. Although, I believe the actual fighters for Disrupt weren't particularly bad, they didn't really know who they were fighting for which you can't blame them, all they wanted was freedom, so that's pretty fair.

I am not gonna say what my ideology is but my ideology is in support of the TRUTH, which is what Donaldson of course fought for, and I believe he is really the only good voice. Both Disrupt and Advance tried censoring certain things, which is also pretty bad.

I was pro advance, until they asked me to censor stuff, then i went pro disrupt, but they also asked me to censor stuff. I am fully against censorship.

[krugg.the.gamer]

I don't know how anyone would consider Advance the good guys, sterilizing their people and planting nukes in their neighbors, no rights, no free expression. Disrupt isn't much better but you can see it's leadership learning lessons as the story progresses, even apologizing for past mistakes.... nobody from Advance is ever sorry for anything, and you can go get reeducated if you don't like it.

The way the media is right at the start of the story, parallels where ours was in the 80s-90's before covert censorship became straight up propaganda. As much as I don't like the elite of Disrupt, I like the people's fist even less.

[Dekar_Serverbot]

Originally posted by krugg.the.gamer:

I don't know how anyone would consider Advance the good guys, sterilizing their people and planting nukes in their neighbors, no rights, no free expression. Disrupt isn't much better but you can see it's leadership learning lessons as the story progresses, even apologizing for past mistakes.... nobody from Advance is ever sorry for anything, and you can go get reeducated if you don't like it.

The way the media is right at the start of the story, parallels where ours was in the 80s-90's before covert censorship became straight up propaganda. As much as I don't like the elite of Disrupt, I like the people's fist even less.

Disrupt was no better, as soon as they rise to power again: genocide, censorship and straight up propaganda ensures. This is an alternate fallout-esque scenario where there are no good guys.

[krugg.the.gamer]

Fair enough, I'm about to do the straight disrupt run.. I've only gotten a few endings so far.

[ibuprohpen]

Alan james is the good guy.

[Gringinkol]

Originally posted by Nero Claudius:

Originally posted by VastGirth:

The sinister elites behind Disrupt are definitely 'bad guys' . They have nothing to redeem them whatsoever

Advance are the "bad guys" they killed 14 million people and sterilized even more

And Disrupt are lead by Child Sex Traffickers and Drug Peddlers. GOD BLESS ACCORD, AND GOD BLESS JEREMY DONALDSON.

[Warsmith Nero]

Originally posted by Mysteri Boi:

Originally posted by Nero Claudius:

Advance are the "bad guys" they killed 14 million people and sterilized even more

And Disrupt are lead by Child Sex Traffickers and Drug Peddlers. GOD BLESS ACCORD, AND GOD BLESS JEREMY DONALDSON.

You can always betray your "benefactors" and do whatever you want after advance is gone

[hermanJnr.]

Pretty much the whole point of the game is that "good versus bad" is reductive and simplistic. There are no easy choices and possibly no "good" decisions.

Disrupt seem to value freedom and autonomy but they also have criminal connections and seem to be backed by the old elite and the rich. Plus they commit mindless violence against innocent people.

Advance on the other hand are democratically elected and promise a fairer society. They also have corrupt ministers, favour authority over freedom and have some really sinister policies that lack empathy for the population. I'd argue they become fully evil later in the game when they commit some acts that are basically unforgivable (avoiding spoilers).

The media services whatever whim/agenda it has, and can make either side in any debate look "good or bad."

Jeremy Donaldson was my favourite character. A man in an impossible situation, pointing out the complete insanity and stupidity of the society he's in.

[Herozen]

it's semi realistic politics, theres no "good guys". theres only who's bad and who's worse

[Dekar_Serverbot]

Originally posted by hermanJnr.:

Pretty much the whole point of the game is that "good versus bad" is reductive and simplistic. There are no easy choices and possibly no "good" decisions.

Disrupt seem to value freedom and autonomy but they also have criminal connections and seem to be backed by the old elite and the rich. Plus they commit mindless violence against innocent people.

Advance on the other hand are democratically elected and promise a fairer society. They also have corrupt ministers, favour authority over freedom and have some really sinister policies that lack empathy for the population. I'd argue they become fully evil later in the game when they commit some acts that are basically unforgivable (avoiding spoilers).

The media services whatever whim/agenda it has, and can make either side in any debate look "good or bad."

Jeremy Donaldson was my favourite character. A man in an impossible situation, pointing out the complete insanity and stupidity of the society he's in.

Exactly like the serious part in fallout, there is never "good vs evil", because there is just intentions, everyone is evil in a degree

[Warsmith Nero]

Originally posted by Herozen:

it's semi realistic politics, theres no "good guys". theres only who's bad and who's worse

Advance is worse

[Dekar_Serverbot]

Originally posted by Nero Claudius:

Originally posted by Herozen:

it's semi realistic politics, theres no "good guys". theres only who's bad and who's worse

Advance is worse

Both are evil, there is no worse, it's like ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ fallout, just change "science" for "government"