Lance : Aspect of Guan Yu

[Croumir]

I've tried to play with this aspect but it is utterly difficult. You have too many debuffs imo (-60% over your life, as for recovery & augmentation / boons). The lifesteal is really bad : I can only get 1HP casting a charging attack. Did I get something wrong on how to use it ?

[wpegg]

I'd suggest you only use it once you've got it fully upgraded (-50% I think?), and then you'll want to make sure you've got the +50 health mirror talent, possibly even start with the collar in order to have enough to get you going (50 starting health should be enough though).

Most importantly, don't try to lifesteal your way better when things are going badly, especially against bosses. Bosses you'll have to beat with what you've got using the special as your main weapon. If you start trying to power up spins while they're running around you'll occassionally get back 5 health but lose 20 doing it. I would only spin attack in larger rooms once you've got all the ranged out of the way to then claw back a bit (even then, just buy healing).

My first attempt with it I tried to use the lifesteal (and failed at the final boss), second one I built around the special and just played cautiously in order to go all the way with little trouble.

[RCMidas]

That Aspect really works well for those who have mastered the "no-hit" playstyle, but otherwise is incredibly difficult to use. Stacking Dodge chances can help to mitigate the low HP, but you are still going to be a glass cannon of the highest order.

[Croumir]

Thx for your feedback ;) I will definitly try that !

[racknae]

The hammer upgrade which makes your spin attack charge faster is godsend for this aspect.

[The Sojourner]

Originally posted by that funky monke:

The hammer upgrade which makes your spin attack charge faster is godsend for this aspect.

Or rather a Daedalus-send ;) the Winged Serpent enchantment is also very valuable.

[Rednak]

This is probably my least favourite aspect. It actually made me hate the spear. I actually only like the dash strike daedalus spear, other than that I find the spear quite underwhelming.

[Terratrox]

Originally posted by Rednak:

This is probably my least favourite aspect. It actually made me hate the spear. I actually only like the dash strike daedalus spear, other than that I find the spear quite underwhelming.

Aspect of Guan Yu is actually my favorite spear aspect. It's the heavy version, like Excalibur. The throw is a great way to use it since it doesn't have a return, it just throws. But you can't really spam attack with it, and the health regeneration is to be used sparingly, usually against the last enemy of a room (or unless you get fast charge or something)

[Mitrovarr]

Yeah, I don't like it either. It's too slow, and the health debuff too severe. You end up doing everything in the whole run to compensate for the weaknesses of it.

[Madcowdizeez]

as has been already said if you can get the hammer upgrade that makes the spin charge and recover faster, you can literally just spam that in rooms and win. pair that with a decent attack damage boon like say althena and your super fast spins will be deflecting everything and rip the enemy apart. even better if your second hammer makes the spin radius huge and do more damage. spin to win mates

[Kosher Pork ✞ Jesus Saves ✞]

General consensus with the hidden aspects is that you really want to max them out before trying to actually use them.

I personally have a lot of success with this aspect, add on the right boons + keepsakes and hammer upgrades and you'll basically regenerate like a starfish while you bullet hell your enemies with sawblades. Alternatively If you get the hammer upgrade where your dash strike hits 3x then your DPS absolutely shoots through the roof.

Edit:Just tacked on a bit more stuff.

[Victor66]

I remember winning with a spear by using doom on each attack and it was like 200 doom damage at least.

[RCMidas]

Stacking Dooms can be pretty effective if you focus/luck out on Ares. Same as with any of the gods, of course, getting the right combination of boons can make even the toughest run seem like a breeze.

[Victor66]

Originally posted by RCMidas:

Stacking Dooms can be pretty effective if you focus/luck out on Ares. Same as with any of the gods, of course, getting the right combination of boons can make even the toughest run seem like a breeze.

Not really. Zeus seems rather useless, his lightning based boons have low damage. Demetra has that dash boons that is worthless, Poseidon is good for the cast attack.
Also, toughest run could very well be impossible, because it includes max punishments.

[RCMidas]

We've seen a successful 60 Heat run be completed recently. That's only 3 off the max, and the guy didn't even use his divine Aid particularly efficiently in the final fight. Give it a few more months and a max-Heat run is apt to be seen somewhere, even on Hell Mode.

[Victor66]

Cool, some people are extraordinary!