why is Hunting Blades & Freezing Vortex not a valid (allowed) combination of boons?

[VinTJ]

Title.
Do the devs think it's too strong?

Scintillating Feast + Ice Wine is a valid build currently and it's strong as hell.
Same goes for Crystal Clarity + Mirage Shot. Super strong cast builds consisting of two duo boons.

I know no one will probably know the answer to this but in the off-chance someone from Supergiant sees this, can you please tell me why I can't create my dream build...

[VinTJ]

I know boons can be contradictory and that's why they can't coexist
(Crystal Clarity & Cold Embrace, for example, whether the beam is going to follow Enemies or track Zagreus).

And while Hunting Blades apparently says it makes the blade rift move faster, while Freezing Vortex makes it move slower, I don't think this is an issue. Just make the blade rift move at mid-speed when having both?

[LT2483]

I imagine tho problem would be the ability to seek - it seeks for 3.3 seconds, and does damage every 0.2 seconds. That's upto 16 stacks from a single cast. One and a half arctic blasts. And then the cast can be immediately picked up. Combined with 3 casts...

Yeah, I imagine it would be because it would be unimaginably broken, with almost no other reliance on boons. The others you mentioned are strong, but don't make your cast a win button.

[VinTJ]

huh. didn't consider arctic blast, thanks. I still think with Scintillating Feast + Double Strike + Splitting Bolt you'd reach a similar level of DPS to that per cast, but I guess the boon requirements are a few steps longer for what I just mentioned. I'm too lazy to actually count. thanks anyways.

[perico2palotes]

Freezing vortex on blades is DPS-wise (IMHO) inferior to mirage shot. which requires Artemis + Poseidon. Plus, hunting blades is Artemis too, so it's easier to build for Mirage shot + Tracking blades anyway.
I believe that Vicious Circle can push DPS further than Freezing vortex too and it takes two extra boons same as Freezing vortex.
Here's a proof of concept ss of Ares + Artemis + Poseidon power:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2702007024

If you read between the lines you will notice weapon isn't cast oriented (missing +40% DPS from Poseidon blade), Hades isn't on dual debuffs (another 40% DPS missing) and no skull earring (yet another 30% DPS loss).

At any rate we are looking at 5 boon combos, and hunting blades + freezing vortex or not, there are already other 5-boon combos that DPS-wise would blow hunting + vortex out of the water, so DPS isn't the deciding factor I think.

EDIT: fixed link.

[lukeliu]

引用自 LT2483：

I imagine tho problem would be the ability to seek - it seeks for 3.3 seconds, and does damage every 0.2 seconds. That's upto 16 stacks from a single cast. One and a half arctic blasts. And then the cast can be immediately picked up. Combined with 3 casts...

Yeah, I imagine it would be because it would be unimaginably broken, with almost no other reliance on boons. The others you mentioned are strong, but don't make your cast a win button.

I don't see how it is broken. Crystal + Glacial Glare has over 50 stacks per cast and it is just fine, not broken at all. The current constraint of Freezing Vortex makes it a completely useless boon as it is surpassed by the Crystal Clarity build or Hunting Blades build in basically every way.

[VinTJ]

Necroing my own thread in case someone on steam tries to search about this topic:

someone on discord said it's due to speed, in early access the combo was allowed but the tracking from hunting blades felt too weak / pointless when combined with the slow movement of Freezing Vortex and they (the playerbase?) felt like getting both ends up becoming worse than simply getting one of them.

Message link (join Supergiant discord I guess if you wanna see it, idk if anyone can just see message links to anywhere without being joined to the server) = https://discord.com/channels/456889434672201729/520429929721233464/943378333939429407