Charon not showing up anymore.

[NF_Crenos]

The last 4 runs I've made I've only seen Charon a single time, effectively gimping the heck out of my builds. Is this intentional, or does the chance of his appearance decrease over time?

[chris.ferrantegerard]

Not sure what you mean? Charon's shops always occur at same place. His bag of coins only appears in mid-biome shops. Did you mean Chaos instead? Don't think there's any fixed schedule for him, his portals are RNG. You can buy from a Well of Charon a buff to force a Chaos gate at next room through.

[NF_Crenos]

Originally posted by chris.ferrantegerard:

Not sure what you mean? Charon's shops always occur at same place. His bag of coins only appears in mid-biome shops. Did you mean Chaos instead? Don't think there's any fixed schedule for him, his portals are RNG. You can buy from a Well of Charon a buff to force a Chaos gate at next room through.

Nope, I mean Charon. He always used to shop up before the floor boss, but recently he has disappeared from that spot. Once in a while I do get his bag, but that is RNG.

[Songbird]

Charon has one shop in the middle of every biome (which can generally be skipped in favor of a combat room unless it's immediately after Sisyphus/Eurydice as their rooms only have one exit). No exceptions. Charon also has a shop immediately before the boss of every biome. This one is even harder to skip, because if you take a Chaos or Erebus gate on the floor before it, the game actually forces an extra room in to offer you the shop again. So not sure how you're saying Charon isn't there.

If you're talking about the gold sack, it's only there in mid shops, never end shops, and it's a fairly low chance, maybe 10-20% of showing up?

[lordatog]

Charon is definitely not ALWAYS available before a boss. Usually, but not always.

[NF_Crenos]

Originally posted by Songbird:

Charon has one shop in the middle of every biome (which can generally be skipped in favor of a combat room unless it's immediately after Sisyphus/Eurydice as their rooms only have one exit). No exceptions. Charon also has a shop immediately before the boss of every biome. This one is even harder to skip, because if you take a Chaos or Erebus gate on the floor before it, the game actually forces an extra room in to offer you the shop again. So not sure how you're saying Charon isn't there.

If you're talking about the gold sack, it's only there in mid shops, never end shops, and it's a fairly low chance, maybe 10-20% of showing up?

I don't mean Charons fight, and I see the middle room, but the one directly before a boss is empty. No items in their usual spots, and no Charon anywhere to be seen.
Only guaranteed spot I've seen him in is before Hades.

Originally posted by lordatog:

Charon is definitely not ALWAYS available before a boss. Usually, but not always.

So I've just been really unlucky I suppose. Kinda disheartening to see it happen.

[Darth Bokeh]

Boss rooms are at 14, 24, and 36 for the first 3 zones. The room before that (13, 23, 35) is always a non-combat room - Charon's shop or some free resource. If you choose the resource instead of the shop, you go to the boss fight directly afterwards. In those cases, the pickup will be in the same shop "room" but Charon and his wares won't be present. I can't remember ever seeing the choice of a shop not being present.

I think the only exceptions might be if you enter a Chaos or Erebus portal right before the shop.

[NF_Crenos]

Originally posted by 1sot0pe:

Boss rooms are at 14, 24, and 36 for the first 3 zones. The room before that (13, 23, 35) is always a non-combat room - Charon's shop or some free resource. If you choose the resource instead of the shop, you go to the boss fight directly afterwards. In those cases, the pickup will be in the same shop "room" but Charon and his wares won't be present. I can't remember ever seeing the choice of a shop not being present.

I think the only exceptions might be if you enter a Chaos or Erebus portal right before the shop.

Ah... I DID just choose random stuff for the first 10 runs or so since I had no idea what the icons meant. I might have just chosen the bag frequently and at the last stages on accident.

[Songbird]

Originally posted by lordatog:

Charon is definitely not ALWAYS available before a boss. Usually, but not always.

No, it's literally ALWAYS. There are NO exceptions. The room cannot be rerolled with Fated Persuasion and will be mandatory if it's the only door. You can take a free item instead if there are other doors, but the shop is ALWAYS offered, on every run, including the early runs with weird rules.

Should you enter a Chaos or Erebus gate right before the last shop (not the mid shop, only the last), the game literally just adds an extra room in, then offers the shop again, and all chambers will be shifted by 1 for the rest of the run.

[Donathan Cheadledge]

Originally posted by NF_Spasp:

Originally posted by 1sot0pe:

Boss rooms are at 14, 24, and 36 for the first 3 zones. The room before that (13, 23, 35) is always a non-combat room - Charon's shop or some free resource. If you choose the resource instead of the shop, you go to the boss fight directly afterwards. In those cases, the pickup will be in the same shop "room" but Charon and his wares won't be present. I can't remember ever seeing the choice of a shop not being present.

I think the only exceptions might be if you enter a Chaos or Erebus portal right before the shop.

Ah... I DID just choose random stuff for the first 10 runs or so since I had no idea what the icons meant. I might have just chosen the bag frequently and at the last stages on accident.

So basically the issue here was actually that you didn't know what the door icons meant?

[Darth Bokeh]

This situation isn't surprising to me.

I find I have a difficult time remembering random bits of info that don't connect to anything I know.

I remember when I started playing in early access I didn't immediately connect the door symbols to the rewards because I didn't know what they meant and since they were nonsense symbols to me at the time, I didn't remember what the symbols were by the end of the fight when I got the reward. It wasn't until after I started remembering what the symbols meant that the door symbols started making sense to me.

[NF_Crenos]

Originally posted by Donathan Cheadledge:

Originally posted by NF_Spasp:

Ah... I DID just choose random stuff for the first 10 runs or so since I had no idea what the icons meant. I might have just chosen the bag frequently and at the last stages on accident.

So basically the issue here was actually that you didn't know what the door icons meant?

A combination of that, and the RNG of getting Charon as the only option at the end of a floor. I am currently only on my 20th run or so, and it took me until the 10th run or so to get a bearing on what all the doors icons meant. Until now I thought every single room was 100% RNG.

[Talesin]

Originally posted by Songbird:

Originally posted by lordatog:

Charon is definitely not ALWAYS available before a boss. Usually, but not always.

No, it's literally ALWAYS. There are NO exceptions.

Sorry but just now i could only choose between the upgrade fruit and +25 health before entering the bone hydra fight. There was no charon choice.

Though this never happened in my earlier run so it might be depending on how many attempts you made or something.

[Darth Bokeh]

Are you sure you didn't overlook another exit on another part of the level?

I've never seen that happen in over 200 runs.

[Songbird]

Originally posted by 1sot0pe:

Are you sure you didn't overlook another exit on another part of the level?

I've never seen that happen in over 200 runs.

This is my first thought. Asphodel is notorious for having one exit from the rooms significantly separate from the others.