Hera Sucks and should really be reworked

[Shruikan]

Hera has some of the absolute worst boons out of any of the gods. Hitch is an ok effect, but her cast basically does nothing during most bossfights, and most of her support boons are either things that are minorly beneficial, entirely neutral as your taking them to avoid one of the other 2 boons shes offering, or straight up detrimental

[NoChinaRussiaWarPlzThx]

Yeah I'm not a fan of getting the really specific boons from her and others that are like "helps with X but only if everything is Y" or "helps with X but then degrades over time" and that kind of stuff.

[Tim]

While there are too many "it's good if you're not using it much" core boons in the game right now, I actually LOVE her cast as a set-and-forget option. Does wonders in rooms full of little guys.

I do agree that there are SO many situational boons that it's tiresome. I only one I find fun is the rarity-related one since you can manipulate rarity with a keepsake. The Hera/Zeus duo is just sad to set up... The sacrifice boon requires you to get her as your SECOND god to make full use of, which is weird... I wish she had more "I'll choose Hera JUST for this!" kinda boons.

[RedFlagDiver]

Kind of reminds me of Aphrodite in hades 1, where I care more about her insane damage bonus than any of her effects; the cast is really fun to use, but loses some utility late game, hitch is a nice bonus but not worth optimizing, and I can't imagine picking Bridal Glow earlier than the last region. That being said the idea of a rarity optimizing build has a lot of potential I think.

[J.]

Hitch is cool but not worth committing to.

[Neferneith]

I'm not sure to understand Hitch. Once a mob is Hitchy, every (80%) damage you deal to it will be reported too on every other mob in the room ? Or is it only on nearby mobs ? Range ?

[Smethers123]

Born gain is the best magik regen boon in the entire game. Maybe even the best boon full stop, it completel nullifies magik issues even in longer boss fights

[Demon Swords]

Hitch is good if you have an easy way to spread it (either a big Aoe attack / special or the apply hitch when sprinting) then combine it with her "Deal damage to hitch when hitch enemies die." Kill one enemy then see the entire screen of enemies get nuked by a dymno of on death = more damage to others (one hitch dies which spreads damage, sometimes leading to another dying, which then chains into a 3rd, etc.)

[Neo NiGHTS ®]

I'm not fan of Hera, either.

Worst of all, the wording on most of her boons does not help either.
There are some boons that I genuinely don't understand how they work.
A couple of them:

1) One that gives you bonus based on sacrificial boons. You mean, I have to sacrifice a boon to get the bonus? But how many chances per run do I get to sacrifice a boon?
Usually never;

2) That one that gives bonuses based on "not common boons". Does that mean that I can't have any common boon for the effects to work?
Do I get a bonus for every rare+ boom?


The Hinch effect, as some have noted as well, isn't very clear either...


Hera seriously need a major overhaul. I actively avoid her.

[Demon Swords]

Originally posted by Neo NiGHTS ®:

I'm not fan of Hera, either.

1) One that gives you bonus based on sacrificial boons. You mean, I have to sacrifice a boon to get the bonus? But how many chances per run do I get to sacrifice a boon?
Usually never;

I'm pretty sure the only sacrificial boon is Hestia's gain massive health and mana, so yeah, I don't get why that boon exists either.

[aidschbe]

Originally posted by Demon Swords:

Originally posted by Neo NiGHTS ®:

I'm not fan of Hera, either.

1) One that gives you bonus based on sacrificial boons. You mean, I have to sacrifice a boon to get the bonus? But how many chances per run do I get to sacrifice a boon?
Usually never;

I'm pretty sure the only sacrificial boon is Hestia's gain massive health and mana, so yeah, I don't get why that boon exists either.

The wording is bad as mentioned. Sacrificial boons are ones where you overwrite an existing boon with a new one (for example take a Demeter attack boon when you already have one from Aphrodite, effectively "sacrificing" the Aphrodite one).

I actually take the sacrificial boost quite often, as sacrificing boons already guarantees upgraded rarity, and the level boost is just icing on the cake. :)

Originally posted by Neo NiGHTS ®:

2) That one that gives bonuses based on "not common boons". Does that mean that I can't have any common boon for the effects to work?
Do I get a bonus for every rare+ boom?

No you only get the bonus if you have no common boons at all, it's meant to be combined with another Hera boon, which upgrades ALL common boons you have.

[The Sojourner]

Originally posted by Smethers123:

Born gain is the best magik regen boon in the entire game. Maybe even the best boon full stop, it completel nullifies magik issues even in longer boss fights

idk, there are better Gain boons out there (Apollo's Lucid Gain, Demeter's Tranquil Gain, even Zeus's Ionic Gain).

Anyway, I think part of the problem is that the way Hitch is implemented is rather weak, having effect on only two foes at a time when it would be better if it affected more by default (and not through the Hereditary Bane boon). After all, especially with the Fear vow that increases foe counts, Locations can contain 10+ foes at a time!

Though Hera's boons kinda suck in other ways: Bridal Glow for instance says it'll max out the rarity of your boons and decrease them over time, but what if they become less than the rarity of what they were before you got Bridal Glow? Either the wording is unclear, or that boon genuinely sucks (cf. Demeter's Rare Crop, which does the opposite permanently, which is why it can be so good to get).

[Tim]

Originally posted by The Sojourner:

Originally posted by Smethers123:

Born gain is the best magik regen boon in the entire game. Maybe even the best boon full stop, it completel nullifies magik issues even in longer boss fights

idk, there are better Gain boons out there (Apollo's Lucid Gain, Demeter's Tranquil Gain, even Zeus's Ionic Gain).

Demeter and Apollo's don't even COMPARE to the Omega spam allowed by Hera. It helps that it doesn't compete with actions that channel (making it amazing on torches, etc). The others seems to pause during channeling. This becomes a MAJOR detriment on high Fear where you NEED to play fast.

Ionic Gain ain't bad, either, but I'd say Born Gain with a couple Magick boosts (which are easy to come by) will let you play way, way, way faster than Ionic Gain, unless your only Magick expenditure is on dashes.

[The Keck]

Originally posted by aidschbe:

Originally posted by Demon Swords:

I'm pretty sure the only sacrificial boon is Hestia's gain massive health and mana, so yeah, I don't get why that boon exists either.

The wording is bad as mentioned. Sacrificial boons are ones where you overwrite an existing boon with a new one (for example take a Demeter attack boon when you already have one from Aphrodite, effectively "sacrificing" the Aphrodite one).

I actually take the sacrificial boost quite often, as sacrificing boons already guarantees upgraded rarity, and the level boost is just icing on the cake. :)

Originally posted by Neo NiGHTS ®:

2) That one that gives bonuses based on "not common boons". Does that mean that I can't have any common boon for the effects to work?
Do I get a bonus for every rare+ boom?

No you only get the bonus if you have no common boons at all, it's meant to be combined with another Hera boon, which upgrades ALL common boons you have.

I really wish this boon would tell you how many common boons you currently have like the elemental boons tell you how many boons of that element you currently have.

[paincanbefun]

Hitch is powerful AF but i avoid the cast. 100 damage when mobs join is not that much, and 2x duration is actually a negative if I'm trying to proc on-cast effects

[Neo NiGHTS ®]

Originally posted by paincanbefun:

Hitch is powerful AF but i avoid the cast. 100 damage when mobs join is not that much, and 2x duration is actually a negative if I'm trying to proc on-cast effects

I've never tried, but I'm thinking on some builds that could benefit from that prolonged cast.
So far I've thought about the knives that hit enemies within the circle. Especially when you get the hammer upgrade that gives you extra knives (thus making the casting period longer), that is one that would benefit from the enemies stuck for longer.

Other than that I couldn't really think of something else.

Maybe Demeter, where you can carry the cast circle around with you?


Anyway, right now I avoid that boon with all my forces hahaha