[Theory + some spoilers] The possible "traitor" and insider that helped Chronos revive

[YuGiOh4DBD]

I've been having some thoughts and ideas. My knowledge on Greek mythology + how much in this game is loyal to it (sans how molest-y and incest-y zeus was in original Greek mythology).

But I think I have a good hunch on who from the previous game either helped Chronos revive, gave him info on the underworld, or promised him some form of insider knowledge on Tartarus to help Chronos overtake Hades.

I want you guys to think to Hades 1, who helps Zag in Tartarus? Sisyphus.
Now, who helps Melinoe in Tartarus? Daddy does. BUT you notice something strange about where Hades is imprisoned in Tartarus? It's proven that he's in Sisyphus' old prison. You can find a mossed over Bouldy who's seen better days behind Cerberus.

If you guys aren't aware, in the original mythos for Sisyphus and even in his story in Hades. He was NOT a good person. He was a king, but he was greedy, scheming, conniving, he was looking out for himself constantly. He killed a lot of people in his palace despite promoting trading, commerce, and navigation. Which falls under Zeus' domain of rule. So this put Sisyphus on Zeus' radar of wrath.

One thing he did that was the final straw for being on Zeus' sh*t list was reveal to the river god Asopus where his daughter was in exchange for him running a spring river through his city. Which angered Zeus more. So Zeus orders Thanatos to chain Sisyphus to Tartarus.

Hesitant to do so, wondering why Charon doesn't take Sisyphus to the underworld. Thanatos takes him. But Sisyphus tricks Thanatos by playing dumb, asking how to chain himself. Thanatos falls for this, and Sisyphus chains him to Tartarus. Thus, because the god of death is out of commission? Mortal kind is now immortal for a time. Ares investigates why death isn't happening because there's no death happening despite there being a huge war going on in his domain.

Ares eventually finds Thanatos, which results in Sisyphus getting his iconic punishment of rolling the boulder up the hill for all of eternity. If you want some more context on the background of his mythos, I suggest you read up on him. They imply in Hades 1 the majority of this stuff happens. This is seen in dialogue from both Sisyphus himself and from Meg telling Zag that he was not a good person.

Sisyphus has NO reason to be sympathetic or loyal to any of the gods of either Olympus or the Underworld outside of Zag. In the end of Sisyphus' storyline in Hades 1 despite Zag being kind enough to get his orders of punishment taken away? Sisyphus intentionally stays in his prison because. "Oh it's nice Meg isn't around to lash me anymore, but I can't just leave Bouldy behind!"

From what we know in Hades 2 so far, Sisyphus got out of dodge shortly after Chronos made his move against his son and family. Sisyphus 100% left bouldy behind. And Hades is in his old prison for what reason? Chained up in a similar fashion to how Sisyphus was?

I believe Sisyphus is either one of the reasons Chronos was reassembled. Or he gave Chronos a deal in exchange for his freedom. In the Olympus campaign that we do have in Hades 2 right now, you can sometimes randomly see boulders fall as a trap. Though this might be Polyphemus and not anything to do with Sisyphus since Poly has rocks in his attack set.

I believe either once you pass Zag's room in the Underworld campaign, or after what happens further into the Olypmus campaign? I think we'll see what happened to Sisyphus. And I think he was who gave Chronos inside knowledge. Maybe even directed him to Chaos to find out where the Fates were. If Sisyphus is in good cahoots with the Titan of time? How can he die? All the gods outside of Zag hated him and his actions anyways. Sisyphus had zero remorse as a person and he's also got no reason to stay after Zag unbound him in Hades 1. He was up to something.

I believe Sisyphus is our "traitor"

[ChakraDarrat]

he's already freed at the end of hades 1

[YuGiOh4DBD]

Originally posted by ChakraDarrat:

he's already freed at the end of hades 1

I address this in my post, he intentionally stays. Read.

[moviest4r]

:o

[Sunny Dee]

This was such a well thought out post, and I genuinely enjoyed reading it. Thank you for writing it!

I saw Bouldy on a run earlier, and noticed he had seen better days, plus some of what you mentioned.

Also, I agree with you, and I'm curious to see what will be divulged in the future.

[rhabdophobia]

Not sure where the wiki got this information, but it mentions that Sisyphus was still in his chamber when Hades was sent there, and that they got to talk and reconcile before Sisyphus left, leaving Bouldy to keep Hades company. Unsure how reliable it is, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning at least. (Maybe Hades brings it up during one of his interactions with Melinoe? Shrug)

[YuGiOh4DBD]

Originally posted by Scylla & The Sirens:

Not sure where the wiki got this information, but it mentions that Sisyphus was still in his chamber when Hades was sent there, and that they got to talk and reconcile before Sisyphus left, leaving Bouldy to keep Hades company. Unsure how reliable it is, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning at least. (Maybe Hades brings it up during one of his interactions with Melinoe? Shrug)

I don't trust Sisyphus as far as I can throw him if he was willing to trick death into imprisoning himself just for immortality

[Fringehunter7719]

There's some dialogue with Hades about Sisyphus. The tone makes it seem like Hades is grateful to him, not angry:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3246274208

If there's a traitor from the first game (and I'm not convinced of that), the obvious suspect seems like Ares.

[YuGiOh4DBD]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

There's some dialogue with Hades about Sisyphus. The tone makes it seem like Hades is grateful to him, not angry:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3246274208

If there's a traitor from the first game (and I'm not convinced of that), the obvious suspect seems like Ares.

"until more company arrives"
Sisyphus straight up knew what was going to happen lmao

[Fringehunter7719]

Originally posted by SKELETON DIVINE DEATH BLAST:

"until more company arrives"
Sisyphus straight up knew what was going to happen lmao

That's the only one of the lines I have a screenshot of, but in the context of the conversation and delivery, there's no way that's the implication.

Hades is saying Sisyphus thought that one day Hades would be rescued. Hades's tone is not the ire of the betrayed. It is gratitude.

[rhabdophobia]

Originally posted by SKELETON DIVINE DEATH BLAST:

Originally posted by Scylla & The Sirens:

Not sure where the wiki got this information, but it mentions that Sisyphus was still in his chamber when Hades was sent there, and that they got to talk and reconcile before Sisyphus left, leaving Bouldy to keep Hades company. Unsure how reliable it is, but I thought it'd be worth mentioning at least. (Maybe Hades brings it up during one of his interactions with Melinoe? Shrug)

I don't trust Sisyphus as far as I can throw him if he was willing to trick death into imprisoning himself just for immortality

I dunno, considering how attached he is to Bouldy it feels unlikely to me he'd leave him behind for the sake of a ruse.

[YuGiOh4DBD]

Originally posted by Fringehunter7719:

Originally posted by SKELETON DIVINE DEATH BLAST:

"until more company arrives"
Sisyphus straight up knew what was going to happen lmao

That's the only one of the lines I have a screenshot of, but in the context of the conversation and delivery, there's no way that's the implication.

Hades is saying Sisyphus thought that one day Hades would be rescued. Hades's tone is not the ire of the betrayed. It is gratitude.

And who's to say Sisyphus wasn't in on it? He's willing to throw the gods under the bus for his own betterment. He was a murderer, a schemer, and he tricked death for his own temporary immortality. He'd trick the god of the dead into comfort for his own freedom. How do you think he made a clean getaway? He was free to go at the end of Hades 1. Why did he stay?

He knew what was going to happen.

[Fringehunter7719]

It doesn't seem that way to me, but I see no benefit in arguing the toss.

We'll have to look forward to finding out in the future.

[brun🎨]

Remember the Hades 1's last biome, all the talk about the satyrs? Did you see who's fighting alongside Chronos in the Hades 2's final fight? There are no traitors, it was the satyrs

[rhabdophobia]

Originally posted by brun🎨:

Remember the Hades 1's last biome, all the talk about the satyrs? Did you see who's fighting alongside Chronos in the Hades 2's final fight? There are no traitors, it was the satyrs

To add to this, Zagreus was sacrificing Chronos' blood to unlock the aspects of his weapons in the first game as well, so Zagreus might have unintentionally helped things along as well.

[brun🎨]

Originally posted by Scylla & The Sirens:

Originally posted by brun🎨:

Remember the Hades 1's last biome, all the talk about the satyrs? Did you see who's fighting alongside Chronos in the Hades 2's final fight? There are no traitors, it was the satyrs

To add to this, Zagreus was sacrificing Chronos' blood to unlock the aspects of his weapons in the first game as well, so Zagreus might have unintentionally helped things along as well.

Oh, that's a nice theory, I liked that