Literally impossible to win against Kostaltyn as Throt

[Bandoony]

I'm talking early game on highest difficulty. I wish this was an l2p issue but it seems like one of the many balancing mistakes they made in placing lords in IE.

Kislev HYBRID units have higher MELEE and RANGED stats than every single skaven unit early game. You have to essentially get to tier 3 and maybe stack catapults or buy a DLC for rattling guns.

It's kind of funny how turning up difficulty lowers the skill ceiling by forcing you into memorizing min max cheese. Try to flank kossars with rat ogres and wolf rats? They lose the melee encounter. Try to shoot them from far away with warpfire or slingers? They lose in ranged. Doesn't matter if you focus fire or anything, their stats are so much higher and leadership diff on legend they just route you by randomly spreading their units out an attacking individually lmao.

It's not like I'm bad at the game and angry about it, I have no issue beating ever faction. I just pointing out this is one of the most one sided fights in the entire game. A faction that stacks 20 kossars and you don't have access to a single unit that can beat Kossars in melee OR ranged. There's literally no way you can win. So you just avoid Kostaltyn and run aroun doing other ♥♥♥♥ for 15 turns even though he is gunnig for you hard.

[SomeGuy1]

Wretched Knight a écrit :

>"It's not like I'm bad at the game and angry about it"
>literally can't win with one of the easiest lords of one of the easiest factions

to be fair, skaven has a pretty sharp learning curve. they're easy once you know how to play them, but you gotta learn that first.

[Ratto The Man-Thing]

SomeGuy1 a écrit :

Wretched Knight a écrit :

>"It's not like I'm bad at the game and angry about it"
>literally can't win with one of the easiest lords of one of the easiest factions

to be fair, skaven has a pretty sharp learning curve. they're easy once you know how to play them, but you gotta learn that first.

Wasn't the case for me. Played them with no DLC as Skrolk on VH in WH2, painted half the map, got bored. Didn't have too much experience back then, mostly with VCs. So in my book if the dude says he's good at the game, it would be at least not impossible to play as Throt, especially considering the current state of the game.

[Aliceskysareblue]

frankly the base game is poorly balanced right now, and alot of things are brolen, I would strongely suggest using the community patch and grimhammer. until ca gets around to update 4.0

[Ashley]

Another angry thread from the blue goat man

[Lamp]

Yeah as starts go this one has been mild- but if you weren't playing Skaven like Skaven then I could see it being difficult.

Left off at turn 45 on that run, have Kislev/Praag and everywhere between to Erengrad max tier/walled, while Erengrad and Hell pit are t4. Am allied to Azazel and tight with most of chaos, the chorfs hate me for some reason but they bring me food so we're cool.
I am playing with one mod: t3 walls restored, but it hasn't really come up until the last 10 or so turns. Have an underground empire growing in Ulthuan to harvest later.

Armies are looking like 3-4 brood horrors with cell instability, 4 ratling guns, 2-3 catapults, a good handful of heroes apiece and the rest: w/e is available, RR's, elites, mutant chaff etc.

Definitely not one of the more punishing starts.

[Len's]

Dev really need to remake the Norsca leader stat and skill.
THrogg gain a +1 public order ,useless crap
Throgg don't even have acces to other troll and armored Chaos troll
King of Troll with 2 units. Throt in the lore fight with an army of Troll not 95% human.

edited: i took Throth for Throg a second ,

[Lamp]

Lenfer a écrit :

Dev really need to remake the Norsca leader stat and skill.
THrot gain a +1 public order ,useless crap
Throt don't even have acces to other troll and armored Chaos troll
King of Troll with 2 units. Throt in the lore fight with an army of Troll not 95% human.

You thinking of Throgg, and I agree.

[Len's]

Lamp a écrit :

Lenfer a écrit :

Dev really need to remake the Norsca leader stat and skill.
THrot gain a +1 public order ,useless crap
Throt don't even have acces to other troll and armored Chaos troll
King of Troll with 2 units. Throt in the lore fight with an army of Troll not 95% human.

You thinking of Throgg, and I agree.

yup my bad , im talking about Throgg

[chickabumpbump]

Bandoony a écrit :

It's not like I'm bad at the game and angry about it, .

[Someguyinhere]

I'm imagining everyone in here flaming and measuring their online pp sizes so vigorously over a Warhammer game in a trench coat and a trilby. It's doing wonders for my day.

[Man of Culture]

It's like the old saying if brute force isn't working you aren't using enough of it. Just spam skavenslaves and a few good ranged and chew him up that way or just bait into autoresolves.

[killtastic201]

Rianne a écrit :

Badoony. Each time you post these threads on the forum, the underlying issue is always that you just aren't that good a player.

According to you, every faction you play as has issues and is weak. Perhaps next time before you complain, realize what the faction you're facing does well. In Kostaltyn's case he quite heavily buffs the melee stats for Kossars, Frenzy is no joke.

And yes, in some cases a certain faction starts near one that can beat them, unless you play smart and utilize your tools.

Have you ever tried playing Daniel, starting next to Malus Darkblade? It makes fighting Kostaltyn look like a piece of cake. It makes Ghorst looks laughably easy for Kugath (well he is, but not according to many on the forum). But then again noone plays Daniel.

funny you mention it, I literally posted about malus in daniels campaign an still got dog piled, lol. only way to beat him is to use hard core tzneetch cheese, sitting there for 20 minutes cycling out different horror units, waiting for him to die. incredibly boring, feels bad to just sit there an micro in and out units, but according to forums cycling out barrier units while watching malus do 3 animations for 20 minutes is the "height of skill".... (the horror missiles do basically nothing to him thanks to all his defensive stats, he just bathes in the stuff...)

[Fivespark]

sounds like a skill issue to me.

[Someguyinhere]

killtastic201 a écrit :

Rianne a écrit :

Badoony. Each time you post these threads on the forum, the underlying issue is always that you just aren't that good a player.

According to you, every faction you play as has issues and is weak. Perhaps next time before you complain, realize what the faction you're facing does well. In Kostaltyn's case he quite heavily buffs the melee stats for Kossars, Frenzy is no joke.

And yes, in some cases a certain faction starts near one that can beat them, unless you play smart and utilize your tools.

Have you ever tried playing Daniel, starting next to Malus Darkblade? It makes fighting Kostaltyn look like a piece of cake. It makes Ghorst looks laughably easy for Kugath (well he is, but not according to many on the forum). But then again noone plays Daniel.

funny you mention it, I literally posted about malus in daniels campaign an still got dog piled, lol. only way to beat him is to use hard core tzneetch cheese, sitting there for 20 minutes cycling out different horror units, waiting for him to die. incredibly boring, feels bad to just sit there an micro in and out units, but according to forums cycling out barrier units while watching malus do 3 animations for 20 minutes is the "height of skill".... (the horror missiles do basically nothing to him thanks to all his defensive stats, he just bathes in the stuff...)

You must be old enough to realize that the majority of people on any game board or forum will be hardcore D-riders of that game. Most of us who aren't rarely pop in and just do other things for a bit when we get annoyed.

[Aleera]

killtastic201 a écrit :

funny you mention it, I literally posted about malus in daniels campaign an still got dog piled, lol. only way to beat him is to use hard core tzneetch cheese, sitting there for 20 minutes cycling out different horror units, waiting for him to die. incredibly boring, feels bad to just sit there an micro in and out units, but according to forums cycling out barrier units while watching malus do 3 animations for 20 minutes is the "height of skill".... (the horror missiles do basically nothing to him thanks to all his defensive stats, he just bathes in the stuff...)

Nah, easiest way to handle Malus is having Khornate dogs. Make him chase those. As you murder his entire army behind his back. Army losses kick in, he may or may not go full daemon to proc the unbreakable. Once he does, you just have to kite him forever, till his degen finally kills him.

It's annoying, it's cheesy, it's micro intensive, but it works quite well.