Immortal Empires Map is dull

[Fauxsteel]

I don't enjoy the Immortal Empires map very much.
I'm bored of factions being tossed around the map: Tzeench here, Khorne there, Empire over here, etc.
I know it's a hot take. I know it won't make me popular, but I genuinely miss the WH2 Mortal Empires map. There's something small, something off and something that leaves something to be desired with the Immortal Empires map.

Yes, I understand the map can't be too big. Yes, I understand CA wants us to have diverse enemies to fight. Yes, I've tried mods to move the factions around.

I just don't feel joy playing Immortal Empires. I liked it because it was better (anything was better) than the Realms of Chaos map. I find myself playing the same faction leaders far too often because of how awful some of the others' placements are: See my earlier teclis rant.

Many of the factions - with the introduction of dlcs - have become homogeneous.
Monstrous infantry used to be a unique roster filler, but now most factions have units which fill this role.
Every faction can do hammer & anvil.
Most factions can do checkerboard ranged.
Most factions can spam melee without ranged. Everything feels samey.

Even Cathay became streamlined. I enjoyed how powerful their roster/economy was when you had to think about things. I liked the smaller yin/yang battle ranged required for the units to receive their bonus. Now one doesn't even need to think about it the range is so large.

I can accept that I've played the game to death. I can accept that I'm possibly jaded. I can accept that maybe the magic is gone. I can't accept how the same boring aspects of the game ruin the good ones: Sieges, Changed faction bonuses, Silly start positions, and the damned powercreep & hero spam.

The new QoL for wh3 are great. I admit this and can come to terms that there have been great changes, but there have also been many additions which have taken the flavour out the game for me which always pound nails into my enjoyment for the game.
I used to get excited for updates and DLCs, but now I feel tired when i hear of them.

[Tanktyr]

Just install wh2 for abit then, i enjoy it more atm too cause of the map

[jtordoff]

I think one of the problems, at least for me, is EVERYONE is always on the map. It feels crowded. Do all the Chaos demons and Warriors of Chaos factions have to be on the map at the same time? Seeing Archeon just chilling in a single settlement really strips him of his awesomeness, same goes for the other LLs from those factions. WoC are now just another building faction.

Seeding the map with factions where they don't belong is another issue. Maybe a PURE Immortal empires campaign where everyone is where they are supposed to be.

[algame]

Would not be terrible if they did officially create a 'start randomiser' either for player or better yet for everyone. There are Lords I love to replay but oh boy sometimes I do get tired of seeing the same start area and fighting the same enemies.

[algame]

I would also be happy if they officially brought back WH1 & 2 maps supported in WH3, I would love to play old empire map, to be honest I get the appeal and cool factor of BIG GIANT world map with everything on it, but I usually end up mostly playing in the area my faction starts in.

If I am playing as Karl Franz then I really do not care that Cathay exists on the same map, or even Dark Elves and not-America, I would much prefer it if it was just a much bigger old world and northern wastes map.

[Malarraenaepcaleac'h]

Just look at Ulthuan in IE.

[chickabumpbump]

Yeah I agree with the chaos factions, shouldn’t be on the main map

[bearfieldlee]

Id like to be able to choose from a selection of maps: Old world - Lustria - Cathay etc

[(Steelclaw)]

I'd love to see a version of the map with lore-accurate starts, but that's probably something modding can handle just fine once we stop getting regular updates.

[Scar Glamour]

Immortal Empires map could use some and diversity in start states for different factions to make campaign a more managed experience rather than leaving everything to chance.

If modifying start positions is (understandably) too much work for every faction, then maybe just tweaking aggressiveness levels for your immediate enemies and allies to provide more of a challenge would help each campaign feel more unique.

[-Singularity-]

More maps would be great. I wish they would at least import WH1 and 2 maps into 3.

[Perplex]

Random start locations for everyone would be a nice option. That way you never know what you will be fighting close to you or where everyone is.

[Defmonkey]

The biggest issue i have with it is its just too crammed in. Most settlements just one turn away, leap frogging from town to town. The map just feels small regardless of how many factions and settlements are on it.

They fixed this with Pharaoh where you actually have space to move around, pretty much one reason i don't play this game so much any more.

[VonFIDDE]

Yup in the same boat, i enjoy the old maps more. For me it's too much chaos and i find them the most unfun to fight against. Also not sure why the north has to be that big and the china region is dull and i never go there.

[Franzosisch]

They need to make a bigger map. There's too many characters on the one they have now, and most of them just sit there doing nothing.

[hsf_]

Honestly, I find the only interesting region of the map to be the Empire, even though I've played in that region for 3 games. The areas of the map made available in the 2nd and 3rd games just don't seem to interest me much. Even when I play Gelt I have only once out of the four campaigns I played with him, stayed in Cathay.