Why were high elf traits dumpstered so much?

[enricofermi2]

High elfs used to have solid lord, traits. But it seems like they have all been nerfed in WH3. Which is stupid since you have to pay extra to get them.

Now you have to pay more for meh.

[Ashley]

People whined about it being mandatory to cheese for the really good ones so they nerfed

People were stacking like 500 heroes in Lothern to make like literal millions of gold a turn with armies running around

Having to hire every hero and fire them every turn to cycle through hero traits was annoying to alot of people so CA said f it and removed/nerfed the good ones

[enricofermi2]

Why not just buff the bad traits instead of nerfing the good ones, meh, its single player.

I'm not even sure thats that OP. You'd still have to farm the influence, and capture provinces for hero cap. I mean who cares how broken something is on turn 200.

Oh well.

[Ashley]

Because some traits are too good? Like extra winds of magic for the entire faction? Just in general people were farming traits and I still think people do for Tomb Kings at least cause Tomb Scorpions and Sphinx traits are so much better than like 2 melee defense and changing it to 10 doesn't fix it.

[SomeGuy1]

And they DID buff the bad Influence traits, just not to the level that the absurd ones were in wh2. Nearly all of them are pretty damn good now.

[chickabumpbump]

But you can STILL cheese it really, people go on about the money elements but the ability to build anything in one turn for near free is WAY better in my opinion. You can get 4 mage lords rather quickly with the builder trait

[Jukelo]

Originally posted by enricofermi2:

Why not just buff the bad traits instead of nerfing the good ones, meh, its single player.

I'm not even sure thats that OP. You'd still have to farm the influence, and capture provinces for hero cap. I mean who cares how broken something is on turn 200.

Oh well.

Why rework EVERY other trait, when the issue is with a few select traits? On top of introducing powercreep it makes no sense from a work effficiency standpoint.

[IonizedMercury]

There's barely any investments in getting starting traits, so why should this lack of effort have any sort of major payoff?

[Hex]

People like you keep exploiting game mechanics and saying "well it's fine cuz the devs put it there"

Devs nerf things so they can't be exploited anymore "Omg why u nefr this thing that I was exploiting so lame omegalulzorrsis"

[BigJ]

Originally posted by Hex:

People like you keep exploiting game mechanics and saying "well it's fine cuz the devs put it there"

Devs nerf things so they can't be exploited anymore "Omg why u nefr this thing that I was exploiting so lame omegalulzorrsis"

Yeah but now traits are pretty irrelevant save for 3.

[Barser]

They where broken.

[Kel'Thuzad]

I just wish they didn't nerf "Incendiary" quite so hard. Before it could turn an Archmage into a decent melee fighter, because it buffed melee attack/defence. Now it's only charge bonus & weapon strength.

There's still broken lord traits for other factions in the game. Like the wood elf Glade Lord that gives the entire army +15% range. You can get Waywatchers up to like 248 range, firing AP missiles in any direction while moving..

[Captain T1]

Originally posted by Kel'Thuzad:

I just wish they didn't nerf "Incendiary" quite so hard. Before it could turn an Archmage into a decent melee fighter, because it buffed melee attack/defence. Now it's only charge bonus & weapon strength.

There's still broken lord traits for other factions in the game. Like the wood elf Glade Lord that gives the entire army +15% range. You can get Waywatchers up to like 248 range, firing AP missiles in any direction while moving..

Shh! Don't make them aware! Otherwise they may nerf it!

[Kel'Thuzad]

Originally posted by Captain T1:

Originally posted by Kel'Thuzad:

I just wish they didn't nerf "Incendiary" quite so hard. Before it could turn an Archmage into a decent melee fighter, because it buffed melee attack/defence. Now it's only charge bonus & weapon strength.

There's still broken lord traits for other factions in the game. Like the wood elf Glade Lord that gives the entire army +15% range. You can get Waywatchers up to like 248 range, firing AP missiles in any direction while moving..

Shh! Don't make them aware! Otherwise they may nerf it!

Going by their Incendiary nerf logic, it'd look something like:
"Talon of Kurnous revised from +15% range to +1 charge bonus during siege defences"

[enricofermi2]

Originally posted by WALTUH:

Because some traits are too good? Like extra winds of magic for the entire faction? Just in general people were farming traits and I still think people do for Tomb Kings at least cause Tomb Scorpions and Sphinx traits are so much better than like 2 melee defense and changing it to 10 doesn't fix it.

Knowledgeable was broken. But it was sorta a 1 off thing. It was a random baseline lord trait that broke WOM. It could even go on heroes.

But high elf traits are supposed to be good since they cost influence.

Originally posted by SomeGuy1:

And they DID buff the bad Influence traits, just not to the level that the absurd ones were in wh2. Nearly all of them are pretty damn good now.

Some are still good, but some are meh. like all of the mage traits that grant extra spells. They don't recieve any of the WOM reduction or synergy so its terrible for campain. There a decent amount of normal traits i'd rather have over that.

[Paranoia]

Originally posted by Kel'Thuzad:

You can get Waywatchers up to like 248 range, firing AP missiles in any direction while moving..

Perfectly fair and balanced as all things should be.