Do you understand if you baycott, CA'll drop this like Three Kingdoms?

[Alesha170]

Like, IT is expensive thing and if there is not enough profit to be made no one will work for free.
But why make extra effort if you can play Three Kingdoms right now - no DLC, no need to pay for anything, enjoy if for eternity without any updates.

[Kronus]

Publicado originalmente por Elitewrecker PT:

Publicado originalmente por Kronus:

Your logic is mind blowing. Ah yes, if WH3 players stop buying dlc, instantly 3K2/Medieval 3/ Empire 1/Warhammer 40k will INSTANTLY be out , be a massive success and take over all the sales lost + more.

I am curious what herbs you have been trying recently because in the real world, that is not how it works.

If any of those games are not ready and they do come out, it will destroy CA rep even more assuming people even rush to pre-order and put them in an even worse position.

Then you are gambling on the fact that those games would succeed. Do not major in business honestly, you would do poorly.

I think he means one of those would come out in a year or two. Of course: implying one of them is already in secret production

The issue is that he is betting on those being successful enough to the point where they could become the new cash cow or coming in 1-2 years. That's a lot of gambling there.

[Beje]

I've been lurking on the forums ever since WH2. I emerge from the shadows whenever new WH content is being announced and look at what people discuss. I gotta say, this thread probably takes the cake. Or the 2 pizzas I could buy with the price of the DLC lol (such a silly argument btw).

"GUYS if we don't comply and eat the ♥♥♥♥ CA is feeding us they will cancel total war omg is that better? Nooo? Then buy overpriced DLC if u want keep TW WH alive"

Never in my life have I seen this formula for copium, must be a new recipe. I honestly refuse to believe somebody can logically think this and believe it's sound reasoning. As other people already mentioned, CA has nothing else. Warhammer is their money maker, abandoning it would mean bankruptcy. They could afford taking the L on 3K BECAUSE THEY STILL HAD WH. Pharaoh is a joke, it's just a Troy reskin and definitely a Saga game. Medieval 3? Maybe they're working on it, sure. But you'd think they would at least tease it, make it known to the world that it exists and that it's coming...."soon". Heck, Elder Scrolls 6 was teased with just a title screen and it's not coming out till like 2026 or something.

So no, WH isn't going anywhere any time soon. People need to voice their opinions otherwise the suits will keep trying to force subpar DLC-s that are more and more expensive with less and less content. Maybe you should buy those 2 pizzas instead on this DLC this time, make urself happy for 2 days and eat well.

[Lotor13]

Publicado originalmente por Kronus:

Your logic is mind blowing. Ah yes, if WH3 players stop buying dlc, instantly 3K2/Medieval 3/ Empire 1/Warhammer 40k will INSTANTLY be out , be a massive success and take over all the sales lost + more.

Did I say instantly? no
The WH3 has 3 more DLCs confirmed (including this SoC). If the WH3 DLCs would not sell well.... there will be not "the massive succes and the sales", so they would simple need to focus to the other project

Publicado originalmente por Kronus:

Publicado originalmente por Elitewrecker PT:

I think he means one of those would come out in a year or two. Of course: implying one of them is already in secret production

The issue is that he is betting on those being successful enough to the point where they could become the new cash cow or coming in 1-2 years. That's a lot of gambling there.

Exactly as @Elitewrecker PT said, Three Kingdoms 2 was "annouced" already, there are rumours about animations for Medieval 3 from Instagram

The point is, if the WH3 DLCs would not be profitable, they would need to focus on new "cash cow"

The Gambling would be to keep focus on Warhammer

[iAreSmart我聪名]

Publicado originalmente por Fear Denies Faith:

For CA to drop Warhammer because their own pricing model is driving away players is insane. They would be killing the golden goose with nothing to replace it with. It would basically spell the end of the company.

Also, what kind of logic is "Buy the game at a massive markup or we'll cancel it!"
Ransom-nomics?

lmao op doesnt understand how business works, that's fine but at least don't spread ignorant/fake/dumb informations

[Alpharius]

So let them drop it. In the same mods, for example, Tzaangors are MUCH better drawn. Add lords and units - modders have been doing this since the 1st TWW and for free. Reskins of lions do not cost 25 dollars. So good luck to them, let them close support for the game, only better that modders will not have to update mods every patch

[Lotor13]

Publicado originalmente por Beje:

I've been lurking on the forums ever since WH2. I emerge from the shadows whenever new WH content is being announced and look at what people discuss. I gotta say, this thread probably takes the cake. Or the 2 pizzas I could buy with the price of the DLC lol (such a silly argument btw).

"GUYS if we don't comply and eat the ♥♥♥♥ CA is feeding us they will cancel total war omg is that better? Nooo? Then buy overpriced DLC if u want keep TW WH alive"

It is absolutely okay to wait for discount or just skip this DLC , nobody is forced to buy this DLC

what is point, some people want to purpously "boycott" , or fight/rebel against the game company - I would highlight "How to boycott the future DLC correctly" guide - to buy DLC, write a negative review and refund

https://steamcommunity.com/app/1142710/discussions/0/6760518612026151656/

Publicado originalmente por Beje:

CA has nothing else. Warhammer is their money maker, abandoning it would mean bankruptcy.

That is false - Three Kingdoms 2, Medieval 3, Empire 2...

They do not need to release next game tommorow, like with the Elder Scrolls 6, they could work on it

[Puppet Pal Clem]

Publicado originalmente por Fear Denies Faith:

For CA to drop Warhammer because their own pricing model is driving away players is insane. They would be killing the golden goose with nothing to replace it with. It would basically spell the end of the company.

Also, what kind of logic is "Buy the game at a massive markup or we'll cancel it!"
Ransom-nomics?

LOOOOL so true, especially the ransom-nomic part hahahaha

[Just Terrible Gameplay]

Three Kingdoms was dropped because it was awful xDDDDDD

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Publicado originalmente por Just Terrible Gameplay:

Three Kingdoms was dropped because it was awful xDDDDDD

Three Kingdoms on launch was pretty much universally praised by both fans and critics. Even the notoriously caustic WorthABuy gave it a glowing review. It's the DLC that didn't really measure up; introducing new bugs while not really giving fans the content they wanted.

I think the big dealbreaker might have been the Chinese playerbase. They came out in droves for 3K, but left in a huff after Eight Princes (a time of history most Chinese would rather forget).

[Godzilla2021]

They're not gonna drop a whole game just cause 1 DLC flops! 3K failed cause all of its DLC (though I liked furious wild) sucked!

[SoulHunterWirriam]

This is probably a bait but I'll join anyway.

1. TWW3 is their only stable source of income. Pharaoh will almost certainly sell very poorly due to numerous reasons (era, no good will among the historical community, too much similarities to Troy, fatigue with sword and sandal TW etc.). Hyenas is certainly dead on arrival and the next big historical title is at least a year away from release.

2. It took them 2 years to axe 3K and that game has had bad/mediocre DLC from day 1. Despite that it still had numerous years of support, patches and content. TWW3 has problems but it had good performance despite those problems (high player count at release and IE, popular COC and Chads DLC, player numbers usually on par with TWW2)

3. What does it matter if they end the support of TWW3? There are other games and activities. Besides this game will never reach full potential. The team is too small and probably often shuffled between projects (just look at COD MW2 development cycle) and GW said that the Old World is a different IP. So say goodbye to those sweet new Bretonia models.

[Golfbag Mansampler]

Publicado originalmente por Just Terrible Gameplay:

Three Kingdoms was dropped because it was awful xDDDDDD

LoL, 3K's great. The DLC's stank to high heaven though. Very similar to what's occurring with these latest DLC's for W3, actually.

[Atomsk]

Me not overpaying on DLC by $15 is far more important than whether WH3 stays alive or not. I would much rather see an immediate "Future of WH3" than spend on any overpriced DLC, which is why I have not bought CoC (full of lazy reskins), Chaos Dwarves (less content/increased price) and SoC (less content/150% price increase).

Also people who think WH3 made far more than 3K, think again. At least 50% of all profits goes to GW as part of royalties, licensing, and partnership costs for co-developing Kislev/Cathay. 3K had none of those expenses, it was just pure profit. WH3 is not the golden goose as you might think, once the contract length expires CA will drop support without a 2nd thought.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Publicado originalmente por Atomsk:

Me not overpaying on DLC by $15 is far more important than whether WH3 stays alive or not. I would much rather see an immediate "Future of WH3" than spend on any overpriced DLC, which is why I have not bought CoC (full of lazy reskins), Chaos Dwarves (less content/increased price) and SoC (less content/150% price increase).

Also people who think WH3 made far more than 3K, think again. At least 50% of all profits goes to GW as part of royalties, licensing, and partnership costs for co-developing Kislev/Cathay. 3K had none of those expenses, it was just pure profit. WH3 is not the golden goose as you might think, once the contract length expires CA will drop support without a 2nd thought.

I don't know whether WH3 is profitable or not, and I don't care. What I want to know is, why has there been such a drop in the quality of workmanship from WH2 (which is basically the same game with worse graphics) to WH3? What changed?

[Lokaror]

If a company needs to price gouge to earn their way, it seems like a failure on their end and not my problem.