Is it reasonable to hope for the removal of Denuvo in the future?

[RedHaze1911]

I mean, they will stop producing content at some point. The game will be done. And it will be hacked and online with all the DLCs also. Does CA have a history of removing Denuvo in their older games that have already been cracked and dont really sell? Cause i absolutely hate the fact that my game copy has to be online once per month for denuvo to call home, otherwise my game gets locked. I dont want my games dependent on internet access in any way. I wonder if theres a way to bypass the timed tokens or if theres hope they remove it down the line in a few years time once the game is done adding content?

[sirkudjon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Mazisky:

I don't think Denuvo is an issue.

There are way worse problems with the game than Denuvo.

Although it was fun seeing that there are some Denuvo fans who defend it at all costs, I never thought they could exist.

I disagree. With denuvo you can't play offline. The game will not boot and there will be a constant warning that you have to start the game for the first time in online mode even thou you plaeyd this game just 5 minutes ago.
And it is hopeless to expect they remove DRM in Warhammer 1 2 and 3. Three Kingdoms still has it even if the game is finished and done.

[Pimpin Pippin]

removing denuvo n similar protections is not free, as in some devs have to do it n test is all ok.

so far CA had no reason to invest into that... or much else.

[Father Ribs]

"I hate that I have to be online twice a month".

-The last person in the world with a Playboy subscription.

[SpeaksTooFast]

Początkowo opublikowane przez RedHaze1911:

Is it reasonable to hope for the removal of Denuvo in the future?

Short answer: no.

[Triple G]

Początkowo opublikowane przez sirkudjon:

And it is hopeless to expect they remove DRM in Warhammer 1 2 and 3. Three Kingdoms still has it even if the game is finished and done.

Removing DRM would mean You could install and play the game without the need to have for example steam installed - or anything else which checks that You´re the owner of the game.

[Ashley]

Why would it be? Seems to be working if so many companies use it after multiple releases. Companies seem to think Denuvo is working so why would they stop? Because players are "angery"? The thing companies hate most is lost income then it's needless spending. If it wasn't profitable it would have been cut by now by alot of companies.


Unless Denuvo is secretly blackmailing companies into using it's service. And i'm saying this as someone who would prefer Denuvo gone but someone's gotta be realistic and play devils advocate for the other side.

[lukaself]

Początkowo opublikowane przez WALTUH:

Why would it be? Seems to be working if so many companies use it after multiple releases. Companies seem to think Denuvo is working so why would they stop? Because players are "angery"? The thing companies hate most is lost income then it's needless spending. If it wasn't profitable it would have been cut by now by alot of companies.

That's assuming corporations never make mistakes or that executives always act in the best interests of their companies. Denuvo is actually only used by a minority in this industry: going by your own metric, Denuvo is quite unpopular, even among publishers and to my knowledge, there are only two companies stubbornly refusing to remove it after a short while.

Companies offering completely DRM-free products are actually more common, even on Steam.

[sirkudjon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Triple G:

Początkowo opublikowane przez sirkudjon:

And it is hopeless to expect they remove DRM in Warhammer 1 2 and 3. Three Kingdoms still has it even if the game is finished and done.

Removing DRM would mean You could install and play the game without the need to have for example steam installed - or anything else which checks that You´re the owner of the game.

Bs? You still have to boot up steam to play for ex. Skyrim though this game never had any denuvo in it.

[sirkudjon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pimpin Pippin:

removing denuvo n similar protections is not free, as in some devs have to do it n test is all ok.

so far CA had no reason to invest into that... or much else.

Same thing as keeping it to be active in certain games. Why do you think CAPCOM removed drm from ex Devil May Cry 5, Monster Hunter World Resident Evil Remake 2 and 3? Why is it gone from Batman Arkham Knight? etc etc.

[lukaself]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pimpin Pippin:

removing denuvo n similar protections is not free, as in some devs have to do it n test is all ok.

so far CA had no reason to invest into that... or much else.

Not true. Removing Denuvo is literally two clicks in Steamworks developer's interface to switch builds. The build already went through testing since Denuvo is only added at the very end of the development process.

[sirkudjon]

Początkowo opublikowane przez sirkudjon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Triple G:

Removing DRM would mean You could install and play the game without the need to have for example steam installed - or anything else which checks that You´re the owner of the game.

Bs? You still have to boot up steam to play for ex. Skyrim though this game never had any denuvo in it.

Denuvo Anti Tamper is a third party software in addition to usual Steam DRM. Removal of Denuvo will not allow you to boot up games without steam running.

[Captain Baldy]

I firmly believe that Denuvo is here to stay, and truthfully, I hadn't even acknowledged its existence until this thread brought it's existence to my attention.

[lukaself]

Początkowo opublikowane przez a mite of Nurgle:

I firmly believe that Denuvo is here to stay, and truthfully, I hadn't even acknowledged its existence until this thread brought it's existence to my attention.

You will when their servers will be down and you won't be able to play anymore.

[Captain Baldy]

Początkowo opublikowane przez lukaself:

Początkowo opublikowane przez a mite of Nurgle:

I firmly believe that Denuvo is here to stay, and truthfully, I hadn't even acknowledged its existence until this thread brought it's existence to my attention.

You will when their servers will be down and you won't be able to play anymore.

You are incorrect, and I assume it was just an honest mistake on your part

Denuvo does not directly impact a game's playability in the event of server downtime. Whether a game remains playable during server outages depends on its specific design.

Some games necessitate an online connection for various features, such as multiplayer modes, cloud saves, or periodic checks for legitimate copies. In such cases, server downtime may affect your access to these online features, but single-player mode would remain accessible.

Games with a constant online connection requirement (known as 'always-online' DRM) may become unplayable during server downtime. Please note that Denuvo itself is not responsible for server dependency; it's the game's developers and additional DRM measures that determine this.

To summarise, to be clear and to reduce the need for urges to buy tinfoil for hat making, Denuvo primarily focuses on preventing piracy. The game's online features and server dependency are determined by the developers and publishers. While server downtime can impact online features, Denuvo would not impede offline gameplay in the event of servers 'going dark'

[Elitewrecker PT]

Początkowo opublikowane przez sirkudjon:

Początkowo opublikowane przez sirkudjon:

Bs? You still have to boot up steam to play for ex. Skyrim though this game never had any denuvo in it.

Denuvo Anti Tamper is a third party software in addition to usual Steam DRM. Removal of Denuvo will not allow you to boot up games without steam running.

Yes, but even steam DRM isn't mandatory. You can sell a game without any DRM.