why can't chaos factions confederate properly?

[o8livion]

hi!
i am quite sure there has been this same topic somewhere in the depths of this, but i didn't find when i searched "villitch confederate kairos". so here we are.
i havee googled it and i found this:
"It's not going to happen, CA has been crystal clear that they can't and won't implement cross Race LLs or confederation."
and thats wrong !!!
you can confederate daniel if playing as bel or arch.

many pages and many forums talk about it with a clear tendency to pro confederate. so since many many players play immortal empires like pokemon and gotta catch em all (or at least as many as possible), why is CA resisting the wish of a huge chunk of their "fans"?

[Elitewrecker PT]

Usually it's in situations where they think the lords wouldn't agree to partner up.
They've already decided that only Archaeon and Be'lakor can confederate other Warriors of Chaos factions.
I didn't know Daniel could be confederated by them? This is unmodded?
Other than that, you can use mods to allow you to confederate the other lord of that god.

[an entire Roman legion]

villitch and kairos are technically 2 seperate "races" in this game. only factions within their own "race" can confed.

villitch is warriors of chaos.

kairos is tzeentch

[GeoG85]

Daniel and Belakhor's Daemon Princes are 2x seperate things.

They don't do cross confederation because, what would your unit build limit be? Having you build every unit from every race would be a bit silly.

[Jerroser]

I believe they're avoiding cross race confederation since it would be a nightmare to program and account for everything given how different a lot of these factions work.

They did mentioned that sometime in the future they might add a means for some LLs to be "pitchable" from other races where it makes sense. Like Kairos having a means of nabbing Villich without directly confederating his faction. But it's not something they are actively doing anytime soon, it was really just a "not right now but maybe" when people questioned the inability of the monogod races to use their corresponding WoC LLs in the campaign.

[Païtiti]

Solve the issue yourself by getting "Recruit Defeated Legendary Lord" mod.

[o8livion]

Originally posted by GeoG85:

Daniel and Belakhor's Daemon Princes are 2x seperate things.

They don't do cross confederation because, what would your unit build limit be? Having you build every unit from every race would be a bit silly.

wrong. i confederated him as belakor.

[Elitewrecker PT]

Are you using any mods?
Because this is the original patch note related to that:
"Upon capturing their final settlement, Archaon and Be'lakor can now confederate other Warriors of Chaos factions."
And I'm not finding any change to that.

Daniel isn't a Warriors of Chaos faction.

[o8livion]

yes, i do, the enforce confederation mod. but that mod allows you to confederate defeated LL if they are your race. you can't have villitch as kairos, you can't have kairos as villitch, you can't have vompire coast or kemri as vampire lords, ... but you can have daniel as belakhor.

[Elitewrecker PT]

I'm not seeing any mod with that name

[o8livion]

ah... sorry, you are right, that one was from wh2.
just looked at subscribed items, tis called "recruit defeated legendary lords".
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2854819509

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by o8livion:

ah... sorry, you are right, that one was from wh2.
just looked at subscribed items, tis called "recruit defeated legendary lords".
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2854819509

The mod you linked makes cross race confederation a thing for certain races:

By default chaos factions (Warriors of Chaos, Mono-god, Daemon and Norscan factions) can join each other, even across "race-barriers" if all factions of a given race are defeated and only chaos factions of another race are available (players-led chaos factions are allowed to accept refugees from different chaos-races even if there are other factions of that race remain alive).
There are mct-option to restrict this.

As far as i know Be'lakor cannot confederate the deamon prince in a vanilla game (haven't actually tested it, because it being a new option has never been mentioned anywhere and cross race confederation has never been a thing before).

[Elitewrecker PT]

By default chaos factions (Warriors of Chaos, Mono-god, Daemon and Norscan factions) can join each other, even across "race-barriers" if all factions of a given race are defeated and only chaos factions of another race are available (players-led chaos factions are allowed to accept refugees from different chaos-races even if there are other factions of that race remain alive).
There are mct-option to restrict this.

Well, mystery solved. Your original premise is due to the mod.

[o8livion]

o.O
alright... that'll end in a lotta work.
threat solved i guess?

[Basarab Laiota]

You confederated Daniel as Belakor? That's awesome! I gotta try that

[Elitewrecker PT]

Not sure if RDLL has options for chaos faction to confederate their respective aligned lords but there's this mod that allows that via the "defeat their leader" way
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2841939065&searchtext=chaotic+confederation