Offensive Ambush Is Bad

[Narse]

Have to delete my post. Instead of Sympathy and Comfort, People of the Internet just criticize everything against their favorite, in order to gain self-satisfaction from others' misery and to show their superiorities over others.

[Enelith]

Considering no arguments are accepted, guess the discussion was short.

[Narse]

Originally posted by Enelith:

Considering no arguments are accepted, guess the discussion was short.

No arguments are needed. I am just being emotional. Sometimes People play the game, sometimes the game plays the player. I just hate the later.

As for solution, I just delete the Tzeentch armies using console command (you can call it cheat), which gives me a good day.

[Ashardalon]

its basically just a sneak attack
teleportation makes sneak attack a lot sneakier since they cant hear your footsteps coming

[Hieronymous]

All according to plan.

[Heinz]

Originally posted by Narse:

No logic can be found in any offensive ambush, as the target should walk into the ambush, not the ambush walks into the target.

Ambushing a stationary army by teleporting in or from the ground like Skaven does makes perfect sense.

[GeoG85]

Tzenech teleports behind you.

Heh, nothing personnel, kid.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Narse:

As for solution, I just delete the Tzeentch armies using console command (you can call it cheat), which gives me a good day.

Not surprised that people with such a mindset would ask for a removal of the most integral core mechanics

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Narse:

I am just being emotional.

As for solution, I just delete the Tzeentch armies using console command (you can call it cheat), which gives me a good day.

I mean, at least you're being honest.

Reminds me of those memes where the kid burns the house down over a spider

[Narse]

Originally posted by Heinz:

Originally posted by Narse:

No logic can be found in any offensive ambush, as the target should walk into the ambush, not the ambush walks into the target.

Ambushing a stationary army by teleporting in or from the ground like Skaven does makes perfect sense.

If it just one on one battle, that may make sense, or it doesn't matter. I have 8 armies standing right next to each other and Tzeentch can using its 4 armies to offensively ambush one of my armies make no sense at all.

[Narse]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

its basically just a sneak attack
teleportation makes sneak attack a lot sneakier since they cant hear your footsteps coming

The sneaky part is fine, no reinforcement coming for the target of the ambush is the problem. I have 8 armies standing right next to each other in encampment, Tzeentch can teleport ambush one of my armies, and they have reinforcement and I have not is what I call unacceptable.

[Narse]

Originally posted by GeoG85:

Tzenech teleports behind you.

Heh, nothing personnel, kid.

There is no kid here, just a 30 years old man who want some amusement while struggling with my paper and thesis. Tzeentch may teleport, but it shall teleport behind all of my armies, not just one of them.

[Narse]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

Originally posted by Narse:

As for solution, I just delete the Tzeentch armies using console command (you can call it cheat), which gives me a good day.

Not surprised that people with such a mindset would ask for a removal of the most integral core mechanics

Tzeentch armies can offensively ambush my armies one by one in a single turn and my other armies standing right next to the one being ambushed in the campaign map just stand here like a dump is definitely not "the most integral core mechanic". Ambush itself is fine, offensive ambush may be acceptable, but offensive ambush with reinforcement blocked is just too much.

[Ashardalon]

Originally posted by Narse:

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

its basically just a sneak attack
teleportation makes sneak attack a lot sneakier since they cant hear your footsteps coming

The sneaky part is fine, no reinforcement coming for the target of the ambush is the problem. I have 8 armies standing right next to each other in encampment, Tzeentch can teleport ambush one of my armies, and they have reinforcement and I have not is what I call unacceptable.

no cellphones in the past
until your people run to the other armys people and then the other army packs its stuff and moves to reinforce
no help is coming and could be coming for a loooong time

[(Steelclaw)]

You have my sympathies, OP.

As much as some people will defend it, I don't think it's a well-conceived mechanic. Ambush defense chance should probably apply to it in the case of teleport (already does with skaven/high elves), and it definitely shouldn't allow the attacker to reinforce.