WoC AI recruitment issue

[Jebe]

After you kill their elite armies all they can throw at you are armies with marauders and other low tier stuff which makes the rest of the war against them trivial, other factions comeback in 3 turns with semi-doomstacks and high tier units no matter how often you kill them, the WoC ai needs some tweaks to make them able to comeback after a defeat of their high tier armies

[Jebe]

maybe increase ai's recruitment rank so that they can upgrade their units instantly

[Pyo-N]

I mean, players also had the same problem, even with multiple Dark Fortresses, they will stuck with recruiting 1 army with Chaos Knight, Giant, and Chaos Warriors per few turn. It really punishing for WoC to get into the late game. Especially if one of your army got wiped.

[valky]

Thy do shine, if you play a faction, that has a similar kill-desire and help them on their way to get stronger....but it takes a bit.
With Khazrak I helped to evolve Festus into a real powerhouse and same with Grimgor for Ku'gath, as I killed off stupid Ogres and decimated Ghorst. Now Ku'gath is rank 8...)

If you fight against them, as your first enemy...they are usually gone for good with their upcoming Marauder-spam ^^ only Skarbrand can be a pain in the butt;
(Empire, Ghorst, KISLEV! and the brettonia watchamacallit-lady. still strong-strong cavalry. yes-yes!)

[Testikles]

Originally posted by Pyo-N:

I mean, players also had the same problem, even with multiple Dark Fortresses, they will stuck with recruiting 1 army with Chaos Knight, Giant, and Chaos Warriors per few turn. It really punishing for WoC to get into the late game. Especially if one of your army got wiped.

Not really, no. WoC are so overtuned that you rarely need a full stack. Make several half stacks or 3/4 stacks and you will still be able to defeat most stuff the game throws your way - and if not, just merge them again and move on. You can recruit on the fly, so losses are usually also not a big deal.

Then fight battles and sack and loot and you can easily run a negative eco with them. The key to WoC is to play as aggresively as you can, and not to turtle in your fortresses in the north.

AI making bad stacks is a general problem, just see the famous Karl Franz spearmen derpstack. Of course, it is hard to tell if the AI can interact with the "gifted units" and "warband" system of WoC. If not it would be quite impaired indeed...but that wouldn't be big news either...

[valky]

Might need to replay Festus in ME, though. For some reason I only played RoC and this is getting boring real fast. same ol' sh*tty enemies over and over again.
His mechanic and upgrade system was quite cool, though...and the special Gift mechanic, where you can tune the stuff to your liking.
And you get Harald Hammerstorm >> any LL, his stats and tankiness is ad absurdum!
Might need a campaign duel between him and Grimgor :)

[Pyo-N]

Originally posted by Testikles:

Originally posted by Pyo-N:

I mean, players also had the same problem, even with multiple Dark Fortresses, they will stuck with recruiting 1 army with Chaos Knight, Giant, and Chaos Warriors per few turn. It really punishing for WoC to get into the late game. Especially if one of your army got wiped.

Not really, no. WoC are so overtuned that you rarely need a full stack. Make several half stacks or 3/4 stacks and you will still be able to defeat most stuff the game throws your way - and if not, just merge them again and move on. You can recruit on the fly, so losses are usually also not a big deal.

Then fight battles and sack and loot and you can easily run a negative eco with them. The key to WoC is to play as aggresively as you can, and not to turtle in your fortresses in the north.

AI making bad stacks is a general problem, just see the famous Karl Franz spearmen derpstack. Of course, it is hard to tell if the AI can interact with the "gifted units" and "warband" system of WoC. If not it would be quite impaired indeed...but that wouldn't be big news either...

WoC is indeed one of the best faction right now due to recent and continual benefit from monogod faction release, just rush for Nurgle's gift that grants you growth for winning battle, it really busted.

But in the late-game you're mostly fighting crisis armies, loss of Chosen or Chaos Knights can be expected, the problem is you don't have access to global recruitment or instant recruitment in a faraway from dark fortress, yes you can slap in gift unit to replace them, but it will mess from my ideal army composition.

The AI makes bad stacks always happening, especially when they rarely losing any battle. I see this is the problem from WH III, WH II AI does make "better" army composition.

[Testikles]

Originally posted by Pyo-N:

Originally posted by Testikles:

Not really, no. WoC are so overtuned that you rarely need a full stack. Make several half stacks or 3/4 stacks and you will still be able to defeat most stuff the game throws your way - and if not, just merge them again and move on. You can recruit on the fly, so losses are usually also not a big deal.

Then fight battles and sack and loot and you can easily run a negative eco with them. The key to WoC is to play as aggresively as you can, and not to turtle in your fortresses in the north.

AI making bad stacks is a general problem, just see the famous Karl Franz spearmen derpstack. Of course, it is hard to tell if the AI can interact with the "gifted units" and "warband" system of WoC. If not it would be quite impaired indeed...but that wouldn't be big news either...

WoC is indeed one of the best faction right now due to recent and continual benefit from monogod faction release, just rush for Nurgle's gift that grants you growth for winning battle, it really busted.

But in the late-game you're mostly fighting crisis armies, loss of Chosen or Chaos Knights can be expected, the problem is you don't have access to global recruitment or instant recruitment in a faraway from dark fortress, yes you can slap in gift unit to replace them, but it will mess from my ideal army composition.

The AI makes bad stacks always happening, especially when they rarely losing any battle. I see this is the problem from WH III, WH II AI does make "better" army composition.

But you only need high corruption in a province to recruit powerful stuff? In all my woc campaigns I never recruited from dark fortresses. Let vassals and heroes raise up corruption and then just recruit whatever is available on the fly via warbands.

Yes, it's harder to get your "ideal" composition then, but you are playing not the roman army here, but a ramshackled mess of messy abominations. It's quite thematic I think.