Quest Battles for OLDER Lords = Stupid HARD???

[HomeChicken]

Is it just me or did the Devs **not** update any of the Quest battles for the OLDER (WH1 or WH2) Lords??

WH3 is all good and balanced. The question is whether WH1 and WH2 Lords are BROKEN.

And like really BROKEN. Like some Skaven (and older) quest battles seem almost hopeless. Maybe I am just not good enough but some of the army compositions seem like there is simply no way to win against the enemy.

I am a mediocre at best player but compared to WH3 quest battles and at least SOME of the WH2 battles it seems like maybe they simply did not update them (odd considering that some people buy Lords to play quest battles).

Maybe I am missing something here???

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by HomeChicken:

WH3 is all good and balanced. The question is whether WH1 and WH2 Lords are BROKEN.

The brand new Felix and Gotrek quest battle where they can die before you even reach them says hello.

To put it blunty, some quest battles have always been extremely hard while others are easy, its not necessarily connected to if its a older or newer quest battle.

That said, some quest battles did become scuffed when converted to game 3 and i am not sure if all of them are fixed yet :P (For example: I believe one battle spawned several waves of enemies that were supposed to arrive one at a time all at once, another spawned your army in the wrong location, another made enemy reinforcements come from the wrong location, etc)

[Kharn Terrer]

Originally posted by HomeChicken:

Is it just me or did the Devs **not** update any of the Quest battles for the OLDER (WH1 or WH2) Lords??

WH3 is all good and balanced. The question is whether WH1 and WH2 Lords are BROKEN.

And like really BROKEN. Like some Skaven (and older) quest battles seem almost hopeless. Maybe I am just not good enough but some of the army compositions seem like there is simply no way to win against the enemy.

I am a mediocre at best player but compared to WH3 quest battles and at least SOME of the WH2 battles it seems like maybe they simply did not update them (odd considering that some people buy Lords to play quest battles).

Maybe I am missing something here???

You should try the Ketzak Fimdirach's chieftain battle from the new expansion. Its pretty damn hard.
So its not just older quests that are harder.

[Raider Deci]

Dont really agree, think pretty much all are very easy. The only one that stands out are the Gotrik-one, and if you have wrong composition Katarinas ambush-battle can screw you really good. Not super-aware of everyone though

But some older have always been extremely easy (like high elfs, ex the one against malekith) and worth keep in mind that units have changed since the battles were introduced & others wasnt in the mix at all

[Aleera]

Not really, almost all the old quest battles are actually really easy. They were so easy they even updated many of them to pose slightly more of a challenge.

Take Karl Franz Beast slayer quest battle. In the previous titles, the Norscans would always come from the top right, from the sea.

Now they actually come from flanking sides instead of pouring out of the same area constantly.

One of Umgrim's quest battles used to have the vampire lord come from the same area as the first army you fought. Now it comes from behind.

Besides, you have many new toys to use in said battle, which weren't present for the lords when they were released.

[Martialis]

All the Greenskins quest battles are really easy. The first Grimgor battle got a bit harder since they buffed Gyrocopters, but it is still not bad.

I miss the older style of having to complete various steps and then travel to an out of the way location to complete them though. Felt more like real quests.

[Amphibian Artillery]

Originally posted by Martialis:

All the Greenskins quest battles are really easy. The first Grimgor battle got a bit harder since they buffed Gyrocopters, but it is still not bad.

I miss the older style of having to complete various steps and then travel to an out of the way location to complete them though. Felt more like real quests.

Yeah that was my favorite part of game 1

[Talilover]

I got tired of quest battles pretty quick so modded them out but tbf you do pick what army you bring to a quest battle.

Revered spear of Tlaxla isn't so hard when I have 20 Saurus scar veterans riding carnosaurs (an extreme example, but you get the point)

[Alan]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by HomeChicken:

WH3 is all good and balanced. The question is whether WH1 and WH2 Lords are BROKEN.

The brand new Felix and Gotrek quest battle where they can die before you even reach them says hello.

To put it blunty, some quest battles have always been extremely hard while others are easy, its not necessarily connected to if its a older or newer quest battle.

That said, some quest battles did become scuffed when converted to game 3 and i am not sure if all of them are fixed yet :P (For example: I believe one battle spawned several waves of enemies that were supposed to arrive one at a time all at once, another spawned your army in the wrong location, another made enemy reinforcements come from the wrong location, etc)

Felix and Gotrek's quest isn't really that hard, but you need to know it's coming and prepare the right army, which can be kind of problematic for a first timer who considers that kind of pre-knowledge and/or save scumming to be cheating, or anyone who just wants to use their normal army which will otherwise win 99% of normal fights.

[HomeChicken]

For Felix and Gotrek battle this is a perfect example -- when I played in campaign using Elspeth (Brettonia vampire) if felt reasonably fair and was do-able...

BUT -- when you just choose Battle and "quest battle" and try to win as Cathay?... Holy cow. Felix and Gotrek are like Kamakazee fighter pilots on methamphetamine. Bascially, they charge the ENTIRE enemy army no matter what you do. Tried using cavalry lancers to block the horde and what do G&T do? Charge past them like wild-men of course! haha

Some of the older quest battles (from main menu) are pretty jacked up (e.g., "OK you want me to defeat the other army with *this* army?") And some of the Elves armies are the same for different quest battles (even though quest battles might be harder or easier).

Also, the Nurgle Epidemus battle -- the Lord has ZERO abilities or spells. Oops. Pretty sure that's a mistake. Don't get me wrong, its a fun battle, but chances are you WILL lose.

So this "Quest battle" from main menu mode seems to be somewhat maybe broken, or just perhaps between easy and a crazy challenge (even on "easy" difficulty) ??

[Mörkö]

Is this why the quest battles keep getting easier and easier ever since WH1?

[irspence]

What I'd love to see for quest battles is your LL going up against another LL. I love Tyrion's quest battle where he has to fight Malekith and so gets his defeat trait plus the Dragon Armour of Aenarion. That's awesome.

The Sunfang quest battle would be much better if he had to fight Tretch or Skarsnik or whoever so got his item plus a really useful trait.

It would be best if they paired LL's who wouldn't normally get to face each other in battle. Like Nakai v Grombrindal for example.

This way you can build interesting characters through acquiring different traits.