Khorne/Nurgle campaign

[Alexandear]

How do I deal with these type of slow start campaigns? I always end up with only 1 province by turn 30 due to slow replenishment and the campaign terrain hindering my movement/settlements being spread out.

I normally play stuff like VCounts/HE/DE/LM so I'm not used to armies like these.
Tips?

[Verchial]

Khorne: kick the crap outta Wurrzag asap to get his real estate and trait.

Then either conquer all of not-Africa until you meet the Tzeentch and then buddy up with him.

Or teleport north when you have a cult and conquer the chaos wastes.

Or both.

Short win with Skarbrand doesn’t really take too long. The victory conditions are kinda flimsy.

[Alexandear]

Originally posted by Verchial:

Khorne: kick the crap outta Wurrzag asap to get his real estate and trait.

Then either conquer all of not-Africa until you meet the Tzeentch and then buddy up with him.

Or teleport north when you have a cult and conquer the chaos wastes.

Or both.

Short win with Skarbrand doesn’t really take too long. The victory conditions are kinda flimsy.

I'm aiming for the end scenario win condition and an empire building playstyle, is map-painting viable as Skarbrand?

[zefyris]

Skarbrand isn't slow, you're supposed to always be on the offensive. He doesn't have bad regen as long as you keep killing.
Ku'gath only has bad regen at the beginning of his campaign. You should try to use plague as much as possible to unlock the +35% regen recipe. Then he's got extremely good regen the rest of his campaign. His starting position in IE itself is reputed to be quite harsh though.

[Alexandear]

Originally posted by zefyris:

Skarbrand isn't slow, you're supposed to always be on the offensive. He doesn't have bad regen as long as you keep killing.
Ku'gath only has bad regen at the beginning of his campaign. You should try to use plague as much as possible to unlock the +35% regen recipe. Then he's got extremely good regen the rest of his campaign. His starting position in IE itself is reputed to be quite harsh though.

Oh I didn't even know there was a +35% regen recipe, I quite disliked the regen Manifestation since it disables movement and kills your momentum, so this is good to know.
And yeah I hate his starting pos :(

[Cybran]

Nurgle is hard in the beginning put your first hero in kugahts army and fist lvl regen for this hero and then kick that lizardman out off you isle then try to kill helman ghorst ASAP because he will be a pain in the ass when you let him build bigger armys try to make an alliance with the skaven to hold back some enemys and than you can slowly build ur empire. this was my kind of playstyle and it worked very nice for me and spam all ur plagues over the world xD

[Ashley]

Nurgle isn't meant to be an enjoyable experience just pain

[Alexandear]

Originally posted by Achungus Amongus:

Nurgle isn't meant to be an enjoyable experience just pain

[DarkFenix]

Khorne is anything but slow, Skarbrand's campaign is one of the fastest there is, the only competition being from Taurox and Valkia. You should be rampaging around the map pretty much from turn one. Your economy comes from sacking, your reinforcements come razing into free stacks, you get replenishment in enemy territory so you seldom need to stop.

As for Nurgle... Ku'gath is just painful. He's not designed for IE as it stands, or well balanced for campaign play in general. You can succeed with him, but it's not much fun because you're winning in spite of your race features, not because of them. I'd outright avoid Ku'gath until he gets a major faction overhaul.

[Ares]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

As for Nurgle... Ku'gath is just painful. He's not designed for IE as it stands, or well balanced for campaign play in general. You can succeed with him, but it's not much fun because you're winning in spite of your race features, not because of them. I'd outright avoid Ku'gath until he gets a major faction overhaul.

Of all the campaigns I've played in IE, Ku'Gath was my favorite one =o Sure, he's slow in the beginning, but once you get rolling it's just ridiculous. Talking about not being designed for IE, plagues just become stupendously broken in a longer campaign as you generate more infections than you can spend.

As for the original post, If you're still only sitting on one province at turn 30 you're being way too passive. Ku'Gaths starting position only has a single front (which splits into two fairly quickly) so it's not like you need to be super concerned about defending. You're also in an excellent position to make a lot of rat friends that will protect your borders. And when it comes to replenishment, merging units and summoning more fresh ones helps a lot in a pinch.

[Alexandear]

Originally posted by DarkFenix:

Khorne is anything but slow, Skarbrand's campaign is one of the fastest there is, the only competition being from Taurox and Valkia. You should be rampaging around the map pretty much from turn one. Your economy comes from sacking, your reinforcements come razing into free stacks, you get replenishment in enemy territory so you seldom need to stop.

As for Nurgle... Ku'gath is just painful. He's not designed for IE as it stands, or well balanced for campaign play in general. You can succeed with him, but it's not much fun because you're winning in spite of your race features, not because of them. I'd outright avoid Ku'gath until he gets a major faction overhaul.

How do I deal with multiple front as Skarbrand? If I march north towards Wurrzag TK/dwarf/orcs from south dislike me. I tried Skarbrand and yeah he does play fast indeed, it just sucks navigating the marshes ^^'

[SqkaStxppvh]

Havent had time for nurgle IE yet. Skarbrand you wanna research the banner that gives “strength from flesh” trait, then post battle loot and movement range techs and more blood host units.

You can wipe out top knotz entirely with blood host armies sent into galbaraz/storm henge area and send skarbrand north to take out the strigoi vampires, gorfang, queek, kazador, and wurrzag by like turn 30. Use the blood for the blood god ability when you predict you will have 5 turns in a row of non stop battles to use summons and min max to full effect. Fight battles manually and let summons and reinforcing blood host armies take casualties not your main ones so you don’t waste money on recruitment and time spent replenishing. A blood host shouldn’t be kept for more than 4 turns max either imo

Keep skarbrand moving and level up his blue line first for upkeep reduction and lightning strike and all that. The marauder horsemen and chaos warhounds of khorne are better than furies imo but don’t neglect your fast movers and skirmishing, you should play khorne like a slower beastman army, cycle charge and overload the enemy flanks and take out heroes and lords for leadership penalties since a cycle charged bloodletter hero or lord can usually kill a distracted SEM/lord easily if you stay cycle charging they have great attack animations that never miss.

The endless war or whatever manifestation that spawns an army to attack you can be cheesed too since you can win it and get more movement range as skarbrand, sometimes just enough extra movement to get to another settlement to raze for even more movement range.

Pay attention to winds of magic too since there’s physical resist bonuses and campaign movement range bonuses at higher levels+the stance that gives global recruitment and attrition immunity takes -5 WOM sometimes you can switch into it at 0 range to avoid attrition

[SqkaStxppvh]

Khorne is asymmetrical war with the penalties increased and the rewards higher for failing to strategize the games features to your advantage every single turn. You can steamroll by turn 3 or you can be so in the hole you just need to start a new game by turn 3 as khorne/skarbrand