How to actually fight?

[Kırmızı Konsol]

So the problem is that on my first campaign i played with beastmen and i dont know anything but right clicking the enemy lines with minotaurs. I have no idea what to do in battles. How do you actually fight? What is the fundemantals? How should i control the army and manuever? What should i focus? Is there and mega guide about battles?

[Kırmızı Konsol]

Originally posted by Avallac:

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

So the problem is that on my first campaign i played with beastmen and i dont know anything but right clicking the enemy lines with minotaurs. I have no idea what to do in battles. How do you actually fight? What is the fundemantals? How should i control the army and manuever? What should i focus? Is there and mega guide about battles?

Watch zerkovitch videos on youtube, those are actual guides, legend of total war typically just abuses the pathetic AI with cheese, thats not how you should play the game (not fun) and also will make you be very sad if you play a multiplayer campaign and then you don't know how to play because all you did was put your units in a corner of the map and spam magic every battle.

I watched the videos but, isnt there a easier way to control the army? Like how do you control 20 unit individually? Giving attack and move orders one by one is sooo boring and hard. There is alt and mouse drag thats ok, but isnt there an easier way to give attack command? In every fight im having to give attack command for my every single frontline unit.

[Ashley]

Is this the guy who said beastmen wuz op cause he wuz spamming de minotaurs? Hilarious if true

[Hex]

This, folks, is why you don't skip the tutorials and turn off the advisor if you have no idea what you're doing.

[Avallac]

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

Originally posted by Avallac:

Watch zerkovitch videos on youtube, those are actual guides, legend of total war typically just abuses the pathetic AI with cheese, thats not how you should play the game (not fun) and also will make you be very sad if you play a multiplayer campaign and then you don't know how to play because all you did was put your units in a corner of the map and spam magic every battle.

I watched the videos but, isnt there a easier way to control the army? Like how do you control 20 unit individually? Giving attack and move orders one by one is sooo boring and hard. There is alt and mouse drag thats ok, but isnt there an easier way to give attack command? In every fight im having to give attack command for my every single frontline unit.

The game won't play itself. Sounds like you might wanna watch lets plays instead or perhaps you'll be better of playing stellaris or crusader kings 3 where combat is abstracted to right click with a stack without controlling individual units. Total war games are all about controlling individual units in a battle, like how cold weapon tech level battles worked in real life until gunpowder.

[Enelith]

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

I watched the videos but, isnt there a easier way to control the army? Like how do you control 20 unit individually? Giving attack and move orders one by one is sooo boring and hard. There is alt and mouse drag thats ok, but isnt there an easier way to give attack command? In every fight im having to give attack command for my every single frontline unit.

Seriously, why are you even playing this game ... ?
(Edit: bcs you make it sounds like it's really not a game for you)

[Yannir]

Originally posted by Da Big Badda Boom:

Lots of that info on YouTube. Videos will SHOW YOU how to fight vs us TELLING YOU how to fight.
Focus on Legend of Total War YouTuber. Great info.

https://youtube.com/@legendoftotalwar?si=l395F6FPgsLL2HaS

Legend is the best but you have to watch a lot of him to understand how he operates. He doesn't exactly instructively tell people what he's doing half the time, and he certainly doesn't do noob guides.

Personally, I'd recommend Zerkovich and likely so would Legend. I've heard him recommend Zerkovich's videos to new players many times. He often does instruction videos of less than 10 minutes where he goes over multiple tactics in an easy-to-understand way.

[Enelith]

Originally posted by Yannir:

Legend is the best but you have to watch a lot of him to understand how he operates. He doesn't exactly instructively tell people what he's doing half the time, and he certainly doesn't do noob guides.

Personally, I'd recommend Zerkovich and likely so would Legend. I've heard him recommend Zerkovich's videos to new players many times. He often does instruction videos of less than 10 minutes where he goes over multiple tactics in an easy-to-understand way.

For new players, I would never recommend LoTW. He's good, no issue with that.
The problem being he actually removes the fun from the game as he's way too efficient, whereas Zerk not only teaches you, but also invite you to use your imagination.

Zerk helps you to understand how to play the game.
LoTW helps you to understand how to crush the game.

(and I don't know about you, but not only I dislike spoilers, I also want to have fun when I'm playing a game)

Edit: However, to each their favorite "teacher", no problem with that, there's no wrong choice anyway.

[Yannir]

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

Originally posted by Avallac:

Watch zerkovitch videos on youtube, those are actual guides, legend of total war typically just abuses the pathetic AI with cheese, thats not how you should play the game (not fun) and also will make you be very sad if you play a multiplayer campaign and then you don't know how to play because all you did was put your units in a corner of the map and spam magic every battle.

I watched the videos but, isnt there a easier way to control the army? Like how do you control 20 unit individually? Giving attack and move orders one by one is sooo boring and hard. There is alt and mouse drag thats ok, but isnt there an easier way to give attack command? In every fight im having to give attack command for my every single frontline unit.

Make a locked control group of your frontline. Select all the units in your frontline and press Ctrl + 1(2, 3 and so on for more groups) to group them. They pop into a group and next to the 1 on your UI is a lock icon that you can press to lock the group. This locks the group into their current formation and it also effects some movement orders like it makes right clicks into "assault moves", and it makes all units in the group to default to the speed of the slowest unit in it when marching. They'll still charge at their own speed.

Selecting the control group and attacking (right click) makes the whole group attack what's directly infront of them. Normally if you select multiple units, even when grouped (but not locked), they will all attacks the same target. But in a locked group each unit picks their own target that's in front of them to charge. They will also keep picking new targets to attack until either they or their enemy routs or gets wiped out.

[Aleera]

Originally posted by valky:

lol
Beastmen is actually, what you just described....
- select unit(s)
- click enemy
- done

(why is everyone of you so stupidly focused on Minotaurs! The gor-variants mixed in with Bestigors are superior - 120 models doing 68 mostly AP damage [late game with all the boosts] >>> 16/24 models doing 118 (+Bvi/BvL)

And Pestigors bring reliable poison to the table and are actually quite tough. And so is the Tzaangor. And we get the Khorne-gor to sum it all up *yay*

I personally enjoy those silly minded campaigns every once in a while....even Bretonnia *lol*

Because, as much as I love infantry, you'll never have all models fighting and doing damage. While minotaurs all the models will be fighting most of the time.

So Bestigors with their 100 (Not 120) models, will at best have 50 of their models fighting, which requires them to be surrounded. Generally you'll have 25-30 models fighting.

Minotaurs will have higher damage output with their 16 models.

Then there's the fact that due to being monstrous infantry, they're less likely to become a blob of unit's themselves. Will not cluster around each other as noticeable. They're faster so they get to enemy lines even quicker.

Minotaurs are simply far easier to use then infantry.

[Kırmızı Konsol]

Originally posted by Hex:

This, folks, is why you don't skip the tutorials and turn off the advisor if you have no idea what you're doing.

Im sure you didnt played tutorial cause i did.

[Kırmızı Konsol]

Originally posted by Avallac:

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

I watched the videos but, isnt there a easier way to control the army? Like how do you control 20 unit individually? Giving attack and move orders one by one is sooo boring and hard. There is alt and mouse drag thats ok, but isnt there an easier way to give attack command? In every fight im having to give attack command for my every single frontline unit.

The game won't play itself. Sounds like you might wanna watch lets plays instead or perhaps you'll be better of playing stellaris or crusader kings 3 where combat is abstracted to right click with a stack without controlling individual units. Total war games are all about controlling individual units in a battle, like how cold weapon tech level battles worked in real life until gunpowder.

I dont believe there is people out there can control 40 individual units at the same time, get a good result and have fun.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

I watched the videos but, isnt there a easier way to control the army? Like how do you control 20 unit individually? Giving attack and move orders one by one is sooo boring and hard. There is alt and mouse drag thats ok, but isnt there an easier way to give attack command? In every fight im having to give attack command for my every single frontline unit.

As i said earlier, group the units you want to command, make sure the group is locked, give the group a attack command and it acts more like a area command, it wont just attack the single unit you are clicking at.

Just make sure you unlock the group if you want undisturbed fine control over the units again (You can also command individual units in a group without unlocking it, but they sometimes seem to revert to the group command depending on circumstances).

[Da_Higg]

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

I dont believe there is people out there can control 40 individual units at the same time, get a good result and have fun.

Depends on your army, if it's a defensive faction like the dwarfs your melee line is just going to stand there and wait for the enemy to come to them so no need to give an order to them - same with a lot of the ranged units can be left on fire at will whilst you concentrate on the more mobile elements of your army.

switching to slow speed/pausing also helps manage large battles

[LittleConqueror]

Originally posted by Kırmızı Konsol:

Im sure you didnt played tutorial cause i did.

According to your achievements.. no you didnt because you didnt even win your first battle in the prologue- I'd recommend going back and doing that before going around trying other things as a new player- is it the best? no but it gives you an insight on what you can expect.

As for the initial question about beastmen they are all about being fast, ambushes, hammer and anvil, only reason you stick in a fight is to hold them to hit in a rear it can be alot of micro so as others have suggested, trying playing on a slower speed to get used to the playstyle or try a different less micro faction like the dwarves or if you only have access to the warhammer 3 factions, cathay might work better for you

[Donut Steel]

Stack numbers.

There's no tactics in modern TW games; the games are designed in a spreadsheet and CA actually expect you to auto-resolve most of the time, because that's what they do.