Playing as High Elves - Possible to revive dead factions?

[Sirsprawlalot]

So I am playing as Tyrion (Immortal Empires) -is it possible to revive dead factions, playing as the High Elve? There is no raid stance so I am unsure as to how to actually do it..

[LKAI]

I haven't played high elves in a while but yes you can do it but t is nearly always a long process that can take many turns.

Some heroes lower control and i guess you could (if you have them) borrow an army of another allied race and use that to raid.

[wpegg]

You could trade the territory you want to rebel to another faction and then repeatedly sack it.

[BIG E.]

It is possible to revive dead factions, but it is super cancer to do. You need to start a rebellion in a certain region for that specific faction to revive but you already know this.

Yeah, you just gotta confederate everyone without them getting wiped. Or use the recruit dead LLs mod.

HE confederation is easy thankfully.

[StrangestEcho]

Sacking the province repeatedly is the easiest method for High Elves, but may not be enough to force a rebellion at a reasonable pace. The Spread Control hero skill has the opposite effect in enemy territory, so that's often the best way to stack negative public order. I imagine that the Lord version also works.

Yeah, it definitely is a pain to revive factions as High Elves.

[endurstonehelm]

If you want to confederate all the LLs without using mods, I'd recommend playing Imrik.
Imrik, Teclis, and Alith Anar all are in difficult situations and may get wiped out before turn 40. So I'd recommend playing Imrik as the easiest way to confederate all six. After you take Imrik's starting province, just take your army and sail down to Teclis. By abandoning your home (i.e. sell settlements to nearby AI factions), and defending Teclis home, you keep both Imrik and Teclis alive. Once you occupy six cities, you can confederate with Caledor. Then pour gold into Caledor and send an army north to Alith Anar from Caledor. Once Teclis confederates with Imrik, you can abandon the south entirely (sell settlements to nearby AI factions) and focus on keeping the remaining HE factions alive on Uthuan until they confederate.

[Apollyon]

No, reviving factions is not a thing. Once their last settlement is gone, they're wiped forever.

[wpegg]

Originally posted by Apollyon:

No, reviving factions is not a thing. Once their last settlement is gone, they're wiped forever.

This is not true.

[Apollyon]

Originally posted by wpegg:

Originally posted by Apollyon:

No, reviving factions is not a thing. Once their last settlement is gone, they're wiped forever.

This is not true.

Unless you resort to cringe and cheese methods like forcing AI rebellions, which no normal person is going to bother doing, what I said is 100% true and you are clueless.

[wpegg]

Originally posted by Apollyon:

Originally posted by wpegg:

This is not true.

Unless you resort to cringe and cheese methods like forcing AI rebellions, which no normal person is going to bother doing, what I said is 100% true and you are clueless.

Ok, if true is false then what you said is correct. In that case though, all logic is void anyway.

[Apollyon]

Originally posted by wpegg:

Originally posted by Apollyon:

Unless you resort to cringe and cheese methods like forcing AI rebellions, which no normal person is going to bother doing, what I said is 100% true and you are clueless.

Ok, if true is false then what you said is correct. In that case though, all logic is void anyway.

Blocked, not worthy of further attention.

[wpegg]

Originally posted by Apollyon:

Originally posted by wpegg:

Ok, if true is false then what you said is correct. In that case though, all logic is void anyway.

Blocked, not worthy of further attention.

Yeah, I'm the bad guy here.

[KoboldUtopian]

Originally posted by Apollyon:

Originally posted by wpegg:

This is not true.

Unless you resort to cringe and cheese methods like forcing AI rebellions, which no normal person is going to bother doing, what I said is 100% true and you are clueless.

How is that a "cheese method"? That's a normal part of the game that many people do. There's even several guides and discussions for how to do it.

[SomeGuy1]

Originally posted by wpegg:

Yeah, I'm the bad guy here.

Originally posted by KoboldUtopian:

How is that a "cheese method"? That's a normal part of the game that many people do. There's even several guides and discussions for how to do it.

that guy is, demonstrably, just a troll. Don't bother engaging with him.

[Apollyon]

Originally posted by KoboldUtopian:

Originally posted by Apollyon:

Unless you resort to cringe and cheese methods like forcing AI rebellions, which no normal person is going to bother doing, what I said is 100% true and you are clueless.

How is that a "cheese method"? That's a normal part of the game that many people do. There's even several guides and discussions for how to do it.

Nothing normal about it. A player needs to go way out of their way to achieve this, especially as High Elves, who don't have a raid stance that lowers public order in enemy provinces. Claiming that "many people" do it is an arbitrary statement based on your own personal bias as someone who likely goes through the trouble of doing this sort of cheese strat.

Originally posted by SomeGuy1:

that guy is, demonstrably, just a troll. Don't bother engaging with him.

Are you describing yourself?

[sentry]

Not sure about all the controversy here but the answer for HE is you're out of luck unless the donut sees damage by Morathi and Malekith. In that case you're a lot more likely to see factions (e.g. TIranoc) come back to life through low public order and rebellions. With some factions you can effectuate rebellions in safe territory but pretty sure this is just not feasible with HE.

Also as context, it's been a *very* old ask to resurrect old factions as part of some deterministic mechanic when occupying a settlement. Basically an extra option that is something like "resurrect faction and gift settlement". This would be very similar to functionality for Norscan vassals that was added earlier on, but generalized for Order factions. To my knowledge, no mod has added this, but correct otherwise.