Arbaal the Undefeated is such a WASTED opportunity ❌👎

[Darth Saddam-H]

Here's a powerful Chaos warrior with 3000 years of service, whose title and buffs rest upon him not losing once. Hello Creative Assembly? If even Kairos the garbage eating vulture can have a cool magic creation system then why can't Arbaal have some thematic mechanic*

Just lean into his Undefeated trait. The second he loses on the field, he immediately gets a perma massive debuff. Yes I know he has leadership loss etc when he loses but it's a nothingburger if you don't suck. Maybe you turn into a pretty underwhelming Chaos lord for good. Or just die and get sent to the lobby.

Simple as.

[Autoro]

Literally already happens. Arbaal has a mechanic wherein he can teleport to worthy foes to fight for the Glory of Khorne.

If his army is ever personally defeated in battle as the player, the player can choose to either end the campaign or continue on with Arbaal being permanently renamed to "Arbaal the Defeated", and receiving chunky army leadership penalties, and factionwide penalties as well.

You'd know this if you booted up his campaign for 20-ish minutes, and just played with the mechanics.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Well they sorta did something like that, though they admittedly didn't nerf him into a normal chaos lord.

If he defeated he gets a trait called the defeated that gives penalty to diplomacy with Khorne factions and his voice lines change into a weaklings :P

[Darth Saddam-H]

Originally posted by Autoro:

Literally already happens. Arbaal has a mechanic wherein he can teleport to worthy foes to fight for the Glory of Khorne.

If his army is ever personally defeated in battle as the player, the player can choose to either end the campaign or continue on with Arbaal being permanently renamed to "Arbaal the Defeated", and receiving chunky army leadership penalties, and factionwide penalties as well.

You'd know this if you booted up his campaign for 20-ish minutes, and just played with the mechanics.

The fact that you bother mention that "debuff" says more of your playing "ability". I didn't even notice it was there until late game. Then again, I'm not some sweatlord minmaxer.

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Well they sorta did something like that, though they admittedly didn't nerf him into a normal chaos lord.

If he defeated he gets a trait called the defeated that gives penalty to diplomacy with Khorne factions and his voice lines change into a weaklings :P

A literal fart of a debuff which is why I made this.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Lord Inquisitor ==:

A literal fart of a debuff which is why I made this.

I'd argue that the new voice lines alone makes him sound like such a weakling, pathetic :D

[Autoro]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Lord Inquisitor ==:

A literal fart of a debuff which is why I made this.

I'd argue that the new voice lines alone makes him sound like such a weakling, pathetic :D

Plus the whole "One of the options available after loss is you just lose the campaign". Like, I do agree the penalties could have been harsher, but at the same time, one of the options is just "You lose".

[Darth Saddam-H]

Originally posted by Autoro:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

I'd argue that the new voice lines alone makes him sound like such a weakling, pathetic :D

Plus the whole "One of the options available after loss is you just lose the campaign". Like, I do agree the penalties could have been harsher, but at the same time, one of the options is just "You lose".

Compulsion and limitation breed fun and creativity. It's like saying Oxyclean player could get to choose if skinks suck rocks before starting the campaign.

[I LIVE AGAIN]

they had to make him a chaos spawn on losing a battle yes it would lead to people qutting or save scumming but thats what he gets and if one lose is too harsh make it depending on difficulty like 1 on legendry/very hard 5 on very easy

also I think his model sucks, not like very bad but compared to other old khorne character ( Harald Hammerstorm) it looks extremely generic and lacking details making only 1 valuable khorne lord for me which is skarbrand

[Darth Saddam-H]

Originally posted by I LIVE AGAIN:

they had to make him a chaos spawn on losing a battle yes it would lead to people qutting or save scumming but thats what he gets and if one lose is too harsh make it depending on difficulty like 1 on legendry/very hard 5 on very easy

also I think his model sucks, not like very bad but compared to other old khorne character ( Harald Hammerstorm) it looks extremely generic and lacking details making only 1 valuable khorne lord for me which is skarbrand

An excellent idea.

[melta]

CA ABHORS chaos factions and lords. They are extremely biased and it shows throughout their history over the 3 games. Do not count on them to make things right.

[TheAlmightyProo]

Originally posted by Lord Inquisitor ==:

Originally posted by I LIVE AGAIN:

they had to make him a chaos spawn on losing a battle yes it would lead to people qutting or save scumming but thats what he gets and if one lose is too harsh make it depending on difficulty like 1 on legendry/very hard 5 on very easy

also I think his model sucks, not like very bad but compared to other old khorne character ( Harald Hammerstorm) it looks extremely generic and lacking details making only 1 valuable khorne lord for me which is skarbrand

An excellent idea.

I concur.

Also, is there any way to bring his former rep back at all, like should he make the comeback of all time?

Cos, just one example of many I'm sure but, even Napoleon had some dicey less than entirely successful moments in his career but was still treated with utmost caution post Russia and during the hundred days. Sure, Arbaal should have somewhat worse issues than the norm for most LL's after an epic beating but also a small but tough chance to recover some of that prestige aso... maybe something like grudges with his new nemesis or quests with further malus for failing again.