Why do demons suck?

[CrazyEight]

I know that's a crude way of putting it but thats how I feel. Demons seem super weak... with the exception of Skarbrand, hallowed be thy name.

When playing as Demon's me and my friends find that a lot of enemies can pretty easily delete demon units. Many can't seem to survive in a fight and struggle against other units. They aren't the worst, far from it... but I expected more out of actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ demons. I mean, these are the malicious beings that an entire culture of barbarians worship and those same barbarians are way stronger.

Okay... okay... maybe we are playing as the Demons wrong?
Nope. Playing against Demons I have wrecked them too. They can't take a hit and don't damage my armies fast enough to outlast them.

Here is the thing...
When I think of Demons I think of a monster that is supposed to the the absolute apex of chaos. So much lore explains in detail the horror of these creatures. A single Bloodletter is supposed to be a difficult for for a group of soldiers to face.

But playing against Demons, I destroy them.
Playing as Demons, I struggle.

So I have to ask. Why are Demons so weak? Or more specifically if they aren't weak then why do they FEEL so weak? It feels like whatever threat the demons pose, another faction out there does it better.

...with the exception of Skarbrand. Skarbrand is amazing. Please don't punch my soul into the pain dimension.

[Zeek]

What daemons in particular?

Because playing as Kairos/Tzeentch daemons, you can absolutely DUMPSTER with magic.

Slaanesh daemons can end fights blazing fast if you take advantage of rear/flank charges.

And khorne is khorne as you said.

(I don''t play Nurgle so can't comment on him)

[rotax]

but the problem is, they are not weak.

there is a reason why chaos is steamrolling the campaign map currently.

[Ashardalon]

they are very weak
tzeentch people say he has amazing magic, but his magic is below average
its a faction that relies on the player cheesing so people dont notice how underwhelming he is
nurgle had no durability until nurgle warriors where added and the plagues are a minor debuff
slaanesh is fast, so yea hes good
once you ad warriors to have an anvil for the hammer, because turning around isnt hard
khorne was good, until people cried
they need significant help to come to the level of the 2 mortal races from game 3
and the game 3 races are far below the game2 races

[DarkFenix]

Demons don't suck. /thread

[Risotto]

Daemons are some of the best factions right now. And the main 4 havent even gotten DLC yet.

[yuzhonglu]

Kugath sucks. The other demons are fine.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

tzeentch people say he has amazing magic, but his magic is below average
its a faction that relies on the player cheesing so people dont notice how underwhelming he is

Hard disagree on this.

Pink flames alone will take like half or more HP off a unit once you level kairos a bit, and you can basically spam it.

[Ashardalon]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Pink flames alone will take like half or more HP off a unit once you level kairos a bit, and you can basically spam it.

pink flames is just an average cone spell
except for the cooldown reduction there is nothing special about it
and other lores have better side benefits

but your talking kairos so i assume your trying to stack either casterheroes wich is a massive waste, or lords of change so a lategame army
all so you can use a fraction of cathays power
and cathay gets good spells to use that power

[Sevrojin]

Originally posted by Ashardalon:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Pink flames alone will take like half or more HP off a unit once you level kairos a bit, and you can basically spam it.

pink flames is just an average cone spell
except for the cooldown reduction there is nothing special about it
and other lores have better side benefits

but your talking kairos so i assume your trying to stack either casterheroes wich is a massive waste, or lords of change so a lategame army
all so you can use a fraction of cathays power
and cathay gets good spells to use that power

Pink fire counts as fire magic so it benefits from a kindle flame augment making it very strong overcasted

shoot a fireball on cultist for kindleflame and them smash with pinkfire

[Ashardalon]

Originally posted by Sevrojin:

Pink fire counts as fire magic so it benefits from a kindle flame augment making it very strong overcasted

shoot a fireball on cultist for kindleflame and them smash with pinkfire

your spending 11 winds on a worse pendulum
11 winds and a unit slot
not that you really miss the slot with how bad tzeentch units are

[in]

all i know is that you play them wrong - there is no faction that is weak if you play to their strengths

[jonoliveira12]

If you think Daemon (not Demon) factions are weak, then you just do not know how to play them.

[A.Pot]

Super disagree. They all have certain strengths and weaknesses but when you know those strengths and use them, they will win battles. Take a look at Slaanesh for example. Daemonettes are okay to bad in face to face drawn out fights but will absolutely annihilate even big monsters like Bloodthirsters if they can get that flank or rear charge in.

[Necrophoria]

Slaanesh - Flanking. All about flanking. They literally have a built in ability centered on it. You might just suck at micro. Think of them as an upgraded bretonnia, who you guessed it, is mostly about flanking too. But that's really the gist of cav/chariot based armies.

Nurgle - Really the spellbook is the best part. It's the only demon spellbook with a heal. So play them as a slow vampire count faction. Other than that stack debuffs with spells and plagues. You literally have to outlast them, not out damage them so to speak with your tankiness.

Tzeentch - Literally WH2 tactics. Range spam, BUT now they have an exceptionally good frontline with chaos warriors. I mean really, the faction with barriers now have armor on top of it? And let's not forget the magic potential too.

Khorne - Braindead. No explanation needed.

Honestly man, you deserve a Dark Souls reply. Git gud.

[Narldevan]

Originally posted by rotax:

but the problem is, they are not weak.

there is a reason why chaos is steamrolling the campaign map currently.

Not because Chaos is everywhere? I'm sick of it.