Astragoth is fckg ridiculous

[Pinnacle of Pineapple]

Although he is a spellcaster, he has better stats than Zhatan, who is a melee fighter. And make Astragoth a big unit ffs. I feel like a lot of the units from the CD are op when I run them against their counterparts form other factions. They should be a war machine faction, yet why are their cavalry, infantry and monsters so strong?

[Chronoreaper]

Not just that but he also has a hybrid lore with some of the best spells from both since Hashut and Fire combo eachother amazingly well similar to Fire and Tzeentch difference is he only requires himself).

Makes the other caster look bad due to character skills ontop of that (granted he gets Cinderbreathe unique mount) and Zhatan can't keep up even on the incredibly good CD mount options, not to mention if you go RoC you get access to all those strong purple items as well.

[Mania]

Don’t forget how he has the most mass in the game.

[Risotto]

He is meant to be a hybrid caster/melee lord.

[Vegetable Vampire]

Originally posted by Pinnacle of Pineapple:

Although he is a spellcaster, he has better stats than Zhatan, who is a melee fighter. And make Astragoth a big unit ffs. I feel like a lot of the units from the CD are op when I run them against their counterparts form other factions. They should be a war machine faction, yet why are their cavalry, infantry and monsters so strong?

It is a single player game first and foremost. No one cares except for people who make bad arguments.

[Vegetable Vampire]

Originally posted by Lost Latios:

Originally posted by Vegetable Vampire:

It is a single player game first and foremost. No one cares except for people who make bad arguments.

This feels like a bad argument. Singleplayer games still need balance or they otherwise turn into boring experiences.

Take the new Trails of Madness for example. It's a fun experience for around 5 minutes...and then it's just a repeating black hole spectacle. Impressive from a design standpoint, but ultimately dull to play. Though I suppose that's what we get for a 'free' feature.

Snikch's Shadowy dealings: OP as f*ck
Ikit Claw's Workshop and Nukes: OP as f*ck
Malus soloing the world: OP as f*ck
Morgur killing 3 stacks in a siege by standing there menacingly: OP as f*ck

and and and.... If you are looking for balance you have to change the entirety of the game.

[Knight of Slaanesh]

Originally posted by Pinnacle of Pineapple:

Although he is a spellcaster, he has better stats than Zhatan, who is a melee fighter. And make Astragoth a big unit ffs. I feel like a lot of the units from the CD are op when I run them against their counterparts form other factions. They should be a war machine faction, yet why are their cavalry, infantry and monsters so strong?

I know right?
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1142710/discussions/0/5440953210420128212/

Someone at CA got the faction wrong.

[krusom]

I guess the main-idea was to have a chorf-army with mostly hobgobs and some warmachines and then a hard core of chorfs.

When you ignore this and build whole army around your dwarves its quite powerful.

On higher difficulties this might become difficult due to ukpeepings...

[Grubbs008]

Originally posted by Mania:

Don’t forget how he has the most mass in the game.

Lol i just looked this up.. Like wtf.. even if he has mechanical parts this makes no sense.. How is his mass greater than Kholek or Skarbrand... Insane.

[Knight of Slaanesh]

Originally posted by krusom:

I guess the main-idea was to have a chorf-army with mostly hobgobs and some warmachines and then a hard core of chorfs.

When you ignore this and build whole army around your dwarves its quite powerful.

On higher difficulties this might become difficult due to ukpeepings...

Yes, unfortunately everything is great with the Chaos Dwarfs except for the war machines.

[krusom]

I don´t use war machines that much, but the Deathscreamer rocket launcher (not sure if it called this way in english) is quite powerful. Especially if you use 2 or more at the same time and concentrated the fire..

[Knight of Slaanesh]

As it currently stands, I would recommend everyone to specialize in centaurs with dual axes and flying cows. Forget about the war machines, the probability is high that even the magma cannons will be further weakened in the next patch because of multiplayer.

[Imposter]

Originally posted by Grubbs008:

Originally posted by Mania:

Don’t forget how he has the most mass in the game.

Lol i just looked this up.. Like wtf.. even if he has mechanical parts this makes no sense.. How is his mass greater than Kholek or Skarbrand... Insane.

Apparently size means nothing. That just seems so wrong.

[ArchAnge1LT]

Originally posted by Risotto:

He is meant to be a hybrid caster/melee lord.

He was meant to be like Vlad, he had worse stats like Vlad in tabletop.

He is the most powercrept lord that there is. Small entity with 7k hp, 130 armor, moving at 60 speed is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane.

Ca dropped the ball with several things in DLC.

[Belegar]

Originally posted by Grubbs008:

Originally posted by Mania:

Don’t forget how he has the most mass in the game.

Lol i just looked this up.. Like wtf.. even if he has mechanical parts this makes no sense.. How is his mass greater than Kholek or Skarbrand... Insane.

Kholek has 6000 mass, and Astrogoth has 5000 so kholek still has more mass. Astrogoth needs to have his mass lowered to 3000 at most, a regular chaos lord on a horse has 2100, and Grimgor has 2000, so Astrogoth having a mass of 3000 seems fair, but his current value is just absurd.

[Belegar]

He also currently have more health than Grimgor, and it would make sense for him to loose a 1000 HP.