Anyone else play Carcassonne?

[Cleftin Twain]

I'm probably going on 20+ attempts on VH/H without being able to live through 30 turns. I don't feel like Bretonnia is ready for Immortal Empires.

[Kharnath]

bretonnia wasn't ready for warhammer 1

[UnluckyNoob]

Why you play Carcassonne if you may play Repanse or at least Alberic? And Bretonnia is still one of the strongest factions.

[Ashley]

Bretonnia isn't supposed to be an enjoyable faction for many reasons. I advise you play something else

[LoveTruffle]

I had a run going okay until I hit an end turn crash bug I couldn't get past. Took out the orcs, cut deals with the wood elves, ran the beastmen into the sea and managed to save at least one of the border princes to help buffer against skaven and pirates. I had to focus on industry for income (which still wasn't that high) since it took a lot of peasants led by several lords just to hold and push out from their starting area since a lot of their enemies can bypass mountains and pop right up next to your settlements.

[The Sand Witch]

draw a white flag and call it a fight.

[meowbeast]

What happened exactly? I've been doing a Carcassone campaign. I had some close calls against Grom but it's doable if you isolate the trolls use your grail knights well.

[Rhudda]

Originally posted by Achungus Amongus:

Bretonnia isn't supposed to be an enjoyable faction for many reasons. I advise you play something else

How do you figure it's not supposed to be an enjoyable faction? Do you really think the design team at CA sat down and set their goal for Bretonnia to be unfun?

[atalante]

Maybe you should decrease the difficulty?
I have not made a complete campaign with them but I have played until bretonnia and estalia were secured, and I didn't notice anything particular.

[identity]

I took out Grom fairly quickly, and just in time for Ikit/Morghur to show up. A few ambushes later, I rushed to delete Morghur from the game, then dealt with Ikit in typical fashion.

[Cleftin Twain]

Originally posted by id:

I took out Grom fairly quickly, and just in time for Ikit/Morghur to show up. A few ambushes later, I rushed to delete Morghur from the game, then dealt with Ikit in typical fashion.

That's actually exactly what I did on my latest attempt. But I did it using a bait settlement and a little help from Orion. I'm just not sure if they intended to feel this weak in the early game.

What kept happening to me was I didn't focus very heavily on Grom and couldn't win a field battle against him for the life of me. So I'd either get rekt by facing Grom or I'd end up fighting Morghur and Ikit and once I was weak Grom would roll in with a Waaagggh to boot. It did not end well.

[Ashley]

Originally posted by The Sand Witch:

draw a white flag and call it a fight.

This is actually the national flag of Bretonnia so it's lore accurate.

[Sn3z]

Accessibility to units must be improved across the board, typically in support and stripping out the farm recruitment for all archers only keeping lvl 1 for peasants, stables and barracks also have some changes, Bretonnia has an extremely narrow early game but its much like empire a combined arms.

[zefyris]

Originally posted by Anewbis:

Originally posted by id:

I took out Grom fairly quickly, and just in time for Ikit/Morghur to show up. A few ambushes later, I rushed to delete Morghur from the game, then dealt with Ikit in typical fashion.

That's actually exactly what I did on my latest attempt. But I did it using a bait settlement and a little help from Orion. I'm just not sure if they intended to feel this weak in the early game.

What kept happening to me was I didn't focus very heavily on Grom and couldn't win a field battle against him for the life of me. So I'd either get rekt by facing Grom or I'd end up fighting Morghur and Ikit and once I was weak Grom would roll in with a Waaagggh to boot. It did not end well.

did you have 3 generals reinforcing you in your attemps ?

[Cleftin Twain]

Originally posted by zefyris:

Originally posted by Anewbis:

That's actually exactly what I did on my latest attempt. But I did it using a bait settlement and a little help from Orion. I'm just not sure if they intended to feel this weak in the early game.

What kept happening to me was I didn't focus very heavily on Grom and couldn't win a field battle against him for the life of me. So I'd either get rekt by facing Grom or I'd end up fighting Morghur and Ikit and once I was weak Grom would roll in with a Waaagggh to boot. It did not end well.

did you have 3 generals reinforcing you in your attemps ?

I did in a few of them, yeah. The reinforcement time hinders them a little bit instead of like in WH2 where you get them right out the gate. I don't think it was a major contributing factor but it was definitely a nerf for that startegy. To be fair Grom can be killed with just the starting Paladin she gets and usually doesn't even need support for that. It really comes down to Ikit and Morghur. Ikit has a ton of rat stacks and I would bet that beastmen can now move around in Hidden Encampment stance, but I haven't actually played them yet to confirm. This makes Morghur way more dangerous because he's basically invincible to bretonnia early units, even the Lords it seemed. Had him kill my lords and Paladin while barely taking any damage.

I should update this post though and say that I did find a way through the early game, at the cost of a Lord getting ambushed by accident. Basically I just took Quenelles and used it as bait to lure Groms armies into the settlement, and then used the settlement layout to force them to fight me in choke points which worked great for the peasant archers and trebuchets. I basically didn't recruit any calvary for a long time and as Bretonnia that just feels so weird. When I rushed cav they were so expensive I stayed in the negative for income, not to mention they actually did not help much and I can admit it could be user error. But it felt like they just did not do enough damage to route units on Hard battle difficulty fast enough to kept the infantry line from breaking. Morghur also has a pretty nasty army for early game. He gets Razorgor Chariots, minos, chaos spawn and a bull hero by the time he's within striking distance. I just couldn't rush the units fast enough to have an answer for those. Adding to this autoresolve actually helped me win some fights I would not have won had I fought them manually.

I don't know. I'll admit there are strategies, cheesey and valid, that probably would have worked like having better micro and kiting units with horse archers but I couldn't really get that to work either since he also has chaos warhounds which will beat skirmish cav and are fast enough to catch them.

Anyway I'm mostly just looking to see if others feel the same way at this point or if it's just entirely me. Early game for them feels absolutely brutal.

[MrSoul]

Originally posted by Kharnath:

bretonnia wasn't ready for warhammer 1