Elspeth von Draken not an elector count?

[NPC]

I am playing as karl franz multiplayer. And my friend is playing Elspeth von Draken. But when I go to elector counts it says that Elspeth von Draken is not actually an elector count and has chains over their picture. Why is that? and how can i make then an elector count?

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

Technically lore wise she is just a powerful wizard and agent of Countess Emanuel who herself is kind of just a spoiled rich girl, so much so in fact that she thought Nuln itself was such an amazing city that it deserved to be its own separate nation state, Karl I believe basically called the land "Nuln and wissenland" to appease her without actually breaking up the province.

[NPC]

But im talking actual game mechanics it says they do not swear fidelity to karl franz. Is there a way to make them an elector count.

[Apollyon]

This is correct. Elspeth is not the Elector Countess of Nuln. That would be Emmanuelle von Liebwitz. Elspeth is just the leader of the Amethyst Order of wizards, who happen to be based off Nuln.

I don't think CA should be breaking lore just to appease your meaningless multiplayer campaign.

[NPC]

Originally posted by Superbia:

This is correct. Elspeth is not the Elector Countess of Nuln. That would be Emmanuelle von Liebwitz. Elspeth is just the leader of the Amethyst Order of wizards, who happen to be based off Nuln.

I don't think CA should be breaking lore just to appease your meaningless multiplayer campaign.

You guys are missing the entire point omg. Dont be so uppity. Idc about the lore or whatever I an simply asking about the game mechanics. Is it possible to make another player and elector count? If they are playing geld or someone else idc.

[bearfieldlee]

Originally posted by Innocent ÚwÚ:

Originally posted by Superbia:

This is correct. Elspeth is not the Elector Countess of Nuln. That would be Emmanuelle von Liebwitz. Elspeth is just the leader of the Amethyst Order of wizards, who happen to be based off Nuln.

I don't think CA should be breaking lore just to appease your meaningless multiplayer campaign.

You guys are missing the entire point omg. Dont be so uppity. Idc about the lore or whatever I an simply asking about the game mechanics. Is it possible to make another player and elector count? If they are playing geld or someone else idc.

Yes it is. If you take control of Nuln (or any capital within the Empire) you just go to the elector counts tab and appoint whoever you like. If you do that with all the capitals you can even continue having the original elector factions function in the remaining territories of each province so that you still have lots of allies to call on while being able to appoint electors for the bonuses.

[NPC]

Originally posted by Superbia:

This is correct. Elspeth is not the Elector Countess of Nuln. That would be Emmanuelle von Liebwitz. Elspeth is just the leader of the Amethyst Order of wizards, who happen to be based off Nuln.

I don't think CA should be breaking lore just to appease your meaningless multiplayer campaign.

In addition. In base game SHE IS an elector count that has fidelity to franz so according to you CA is breaking lore to appease someone.

What I dont understand is when a human player plays karl franz and another plays Draken why is she no longer fidelity to franz and says she is not an elector count.

[NPC]

Originally posted by bearfieldlee:

Originally posted by Innocent ÚwÚ:

You guys are missing the entire point omg. Dont be so uppity. Idc about the lore or whatever I an simply asking about the game mechanics. Is it possible to make another player and elector count? If they are playing geld or someone else idc.

Yes it is. If you take control of Nuln (or any capital within the Empire) you just go to the elector counts tab and appoint whoever you like. If you do that with all the capitals you can even continue having the original elector factions function in the remaining territories of each province so that you still have lots of allies to call on while being able to appoint electors for the bonuses.

So the other player just has to give me their capitol city and then I can appoint them as the elector count? Even though they are their own faction?

[bearfieldlee]

If you are playing Karl Franz you can declare war after using "cassus belli" and declare war on them one at a time with no diplomatic consequence and take the capital then make peace, or you could occupy the capital if you happen to liberate it from a non empire enemy.

[NPC]

Originally posted by bearfieldlee:

If you are playing Karl Franz you can declare war after using "cassus belli" and declare war on them one at a time with no diplomatic consequence and take the capital then make peace, or you could occupy the capital if you happen to liberate it from a non empire enemy.

Okay I will try that and then try and appoint them as elector if possible.

[bearfieldlee]

Once you have the capital you can appoint your own electors. it is useful though to have the elector still be alive in the remaining territories of that province because they will still field armies and develop the territories with their own money, making useful allies. Franz now has all the tools needed to enable this after the more recent updates to his mechanics.

[bearfieldlee]

You could simply confederate them but you would have total control of the whole territory then and they would cease to exist, leaving it all down to you to manage and develop but that's a lot of work.

[KoboldUtopian]

It's because you don't control it. You can make any random Lord an elector count, but only if it's your territory. As long as another faction controls that land (even if it's an empire faction) it will be locked and you won't have access to their bonus or item.

[NPC]

Originally posted by bearfieldlee:

You could simply confederate them but you would have total control of the whole territory then and they would cease to exist, leaving it all down to you to manage and develop but that's a lot of work.

I dont think you can confederate with another player though? That would just end their game

[bearfieldlee]

Originally posted by Innocent ÚwÚ:

Originally posted by bearfieldlee:

You could simply confederate them but you would have total control of the whole territory then and they would cease to exist, leaving it all down to you to manage and develop but that's a lot of work.

I dont think you can confederate with another player though? That would just end their game

Yeah, probably. I don't play multiplayer though.

[Immortalis]

No, you cannot name lords of another faction as elector counts, regardless if it’s AI or a player.
Just like you cannot give Middenland to Todbringer once he lost it to the beastmen you cannot give Elspeth the title of elector of Nuln.
And that’s because the elector counts mechanic is available only for Franz, just like the Imperial armoury exists only for Elspeth.

By playing Franz and Elspeth you and your friend are effectively gimping your strength long term. Franz and Throrgrim or Louen would make a better match up; If you want to keep playing two empire faction, one of you could take up Gelt or Wulfarth or even Volkmar