Is Creative Assembly going to die? A Legendary response

[Ark]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XI6nOV-dJyE


its a response video some in here seem to forget that is all it is a youtuber commenting on what 2 other bigger youtubers have talked about and said

[G Willikers]

Right? They have enough of a customer base to stay alive for a while on sequels, but they aren’t anything approaching the company they were ten years ago and there isn’t any sign they’ll be able to reverse that decline.

Not dead doesn’t necessarily mean alive

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Eldyra:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Read the thread topic again.

I find it odd how someone felt the need to come into a topic, blatantly strawman like this, then continue on an off-topic tirade. Oh well.

i'm sure you do. fanboying over eldyra tells everything i need to know here

[Supay]

Originally posted by G Willikers:

Right? They have enough of a customer base to stay alive for a while on sequels, but they aren’t anything approaching the company they were ten years ago and there isn’t any sign they’ll be able to reverse that decline.

Not dead doesn’t necessarily mean alive

Most companies aren't what they were, Covid had video game companies thinking it would last forever and as such invested poorly. That said, they would have been canned by Sega if they weren't profitable. Pretty sure 40k if they got it coming will be major and bigger then Fantasy was just because the crowd is big. If they got Starwars as well they have guaranteed sales which folks underestimate for some odd reason. Either one of those titles would be a win for CA however if they don't, then might be rough and I would be inclined to think you are right but its bit early to make that call or claim. Alien: Isolation 2 is coming that also might be another factor if does good, although sequels are harder to pull off.

[huey30]

I'm honestly sort of surprised that there hasn't been a complete TW knockoff game yet. I would assume that at some point it will happen. Although this obviously wouldnt be a guaranteed death sentence for CA. I hope it happens sooner rather than later

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by Bolovo:

I can't criticize the company because i play their games?

Never said you couldn't. I just find it slightly amusing that someone would waste their gaming time playing an admittedly bad to mediocre game(s) for multiple years on end. It appears very disingenuous with discussions like this.

Originally posted by Bolovo:

I wonder what you would tell me if i criticized the company without playing them...

That's called trolling.

Originally posted by Bolovo:

Do you know what is the worse about this? THey made the streamlined (and i don't mean this in a pejorative way) Total war Warhammer 2, which was obviously a relative success within ca's portfolio, then they capitalized on it believing it was the structure of the game that made it commercially succesful instead of the setting and started using it as a base from which to build every other game. And one wonders why not a single game of theirs has been reliably succesful.

What I merely would like them to do is to resume focusing on the (still profitable) "total war" part and stop using warhammer as a basis for everything.

You're saying Thrones of Brittania, Three Kingdoms, and Pharoah are somehow similar to Total Warhammer 2? You'll have to elaborate on that. I'm not a historical fan so I genuinely don't know what you mean here.

Originally posted by Bolovo:

But to be perfectly honest with you, people like you are precisely what is wrong with modern video game audiences. This toxic positivity that makes any kind of criticism seems like "fake outrage" and ill conceived. Yea, sure, the outrage is clearly fake, warhammer 3 became much better because of luck and ca's benevolence, pharaoh was a success because dynasties and CA is sailing the high seas because of their good business decisions.

You're assuming I have a problem with *all* criticism, which is obviously false and disingenuous. I have voiced my own issues and criticism with the game for a long time. I discuss potential improvements to it all the time. This is called *constructive criticism*, which I have absolutely no problem with.

What I do have a problem with is when people can't see past their own fat egos or cannot think for themselves and have a content creator do it for them, and offer nothing to a discussion beyond "CA BAD", and flippantly label any kind of dissenters as "shills" (as you have wrongly done above).

So I return your thoughts on what is actually wrong with modern video game audiences, which is of course dev bashing for the sake of dev bashing, offering nothing but toxicity to the community and is far more rampant than "toxic positivity".

Oh, considering that 3 of the 4 games from CA i still play are from before that ~10-year period, i do agree wholeheartedly with you, as i also wonder why people would still play those newer games if they whine so much about them.

The notion that any criticism must be "constructive criticism" is EXACTLY what toxic positivism is all about, specially when dealing with mid-sized+ video game companies. "Constructive criticism" is warranted when there is good faith between buyer and seller. And it is clearly not the case with the immense majority of those companies, as pricing, content size, design direction, etc are decided by the big shots who are held hostages by the shareholders and fat bonuses and have no concern whatsoever beyond bleeding the customer dry. Their chief aim isn't to make a good product and profit as a byproduct. Their chief concern is bleed the customer dry for the lowest effort possible. "Uh muh capitalism... supply and demand." Fair enough. Then again, remind me why we care about devs enough that we should only make "constructive criticism"? Shouldn't we be solely concerned with buying stuff for the lowest price possible, not even caring about crunching, harassment etc? But by all means, Show me ONE example where "constructive criticism" made an AAA company completely change direction and i wil shut the h up.

On a second note, assuming you haven't played anything other than warhammer from what you said, why would you simply dismiss everything that is said along with the whining you hate? The original video from pixelatedapollo is full of reasonable arguments, but somehow he is simply a malder, a naysayer, or something like that? Fair enough if you are simply not interested in playing older games even if for simply acknowledging what is argued.

The thing is that after rome 2 (and this is utterly maximized in warhammer), units' stats are so malleable and subject to change, that different units seem to be different only in name and skin, because with enough buffs spearmen might perform similarly to swordsmen, or shock cavalry similarly to melee cavalry, and so forth. Unit behaviour is completely unpredictable other than the general notion that units will fight consistently to the death (i.e. morale is irrelevant) until the arbitrary army losses hit. Before that, even if stats also played a key role, they were mostly static and unit performance was predictable, so much that, in the most interesting cases, different units had utterly different roles not. In shogun 2, for example, a unit of peasant spearmen is useful from the early game up to the endgame, not only because they are cheap, but also because samurai arent simply an upgrade in stats. Peasant spearmen will be annihilated by samurai swordsmen 1 on 1, but in formation, if the swordsmen attack head on, they might even win because the spears actually prevent most swordsmen from approaching to strike. If the general is nearby inspiring them to stop the peasants from routing early because of their low morale, they will consistenly win. and this is the beauty. Morale is so important that a single well timed charge in one flank might completely change the course of a battle by causing two units to instantly rout and the rest of the army to crumble. instead, in warhammer it simply translates to a bonus in melee damage like in the case of warhammer (yes, there are morale debuffs, but leadership is generally so high/buffed and there are so many unbreakable units that this is irrelevant, the units will still fight almost to the death, even if they start dying faster.

[Sarumoon]

cUnpaNy DaEd

[Imposter]

It really doesn't matter in the end. It's tough to predict a future. It's easier to live in the now.

[Eldyra]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

Originally posted by Eldyra:

I find it odd how someone felt the need to come into a topic, blatantly strawman like this, then continue on an off-topic tirade. Oh well.

i'm sure you do. fanboying over eldyra tells everything i need to know here

Attempts to insult when called out for obvious bad faith behavior, yup checks out.

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Eldyra:

Originally posted by Bolovo:

i'm sure you do. fanboying over eldyra tells everything i need to know here

Attempts to insult when called out for obvious bad faith behavior, yup checks out.

if you take op's question literally, there is no discussion. which is obviously not the point of the thread. you then proceed to call not taking it literally "strawmanning". Is this good faith behaviour? should i pretend you cannot grasp hyperboles?

[crobs69]

ca: --exists--
haters: (ﾉಥ益ಥ）ﾉ ┻━┻

[Elitewrecker PT]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

In shogun 2, for example, a unit of peasant spearmen is useful from the early game up to the endgame, not only because they are cheap, but also because samurai arent simply an upgrade in stats. Peasant spearmen will be annihilated by samurai swordsmen 1 on 1, but in formation, if the swordsmen attack head on, they might even win because the spears actually prevent most swordsmen from approaching to strike. If the general is nearby inspiring them to stop the peasants from routing early because of their low morale, they will consistenly win. and this is the beauty. Morale is so important that a single well timed charge in one flank might completely change the course of a battle by causing two units to instantly rout and the rest of the army to crumble. instead, in warhammer it simply translates to a bonus in melee damage like in the case of warhammer (yes, there are morale debuffs, but leadership is generally so high/buffed and there are so many unbreakable units that this is irrelevant, the units will still fight almost to the death, even if they start dying faster.

If yari samurai were given yari wall (I don't know if it was ultimately decided whether them not having it was a bug or not) people wouldn't use ashigaru at the end.
Yari wall is the only reason ashigaru are still a usable option in lategame.
And then you have oda long yari because... why not... Those will always beat frontal charging katana samurai without any support.

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Elitewrecker PT:

Originally posted by Bolovo:

In shogun 2, for example, a unit of peasant spearmen is useful from the early game up to the endgame, not only because they are cheap, but also because samurai arent simply an upgrade in stats. Peasant spearmen will be annihilated by samurai swordsmen 1 on 1, but in formation, if the swordsmen attack head on, they might even win because the spears actually prevent most swordsmen from approaching to strike. If the general is nearby inspiring them to stop the peasants from routing early because of their low morale, they will consistenly win. and this is the beauty. Morale is so important that a single well timed charge in one flank might completely change the course of a battle by causing two units to instantly rout and the rest of the army to crumble. instead, in warhammer it simply translates to a bonus in melee damage like in the case of warhammer (yes, there are morale debuffs, but leadership is generally so high/buffed and there are so many unbreakable units that this is irrelevant, the units will still fight almost to the death, even if they start dying faster.

If yari samurai were given yari wall (I don't know if it was ultimately decided whether them not having it was a bug or not) people wouldn't use ashigaru at the end.
Yari wall is the only reason ashigaru are still a usable option in lategame.
And then you have oda long yari because... why not... Those will always beat frontal charging katana samurai without any support.

if my grandma was given wheels, she would have been a bike. That aside, yari ashigaru are two times cheaper than yari samurai, take one turn less to recruit, have more men, and are available in literally every province without requiring any building. The irony in your post is that giving Yari samurai yari wall would nullify the point of every other samurai unit, not of yari ashigaru. But sure, balance isn't important.

[Eldyra]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

Originally posted by Eldyra:

Attempts to insult when called out for obvious bad faith behavior, yup checks out.

if you take op's question literally, there is no discussion. which is obviously not the point of the thread. you then proceed to call not taking it literally "strawmanning". Is this good faith behaviour? should i pretend you cannot grasp hyperboles?

Got it. So you're stating that your "interpretation" of what the OP said, and even posted a video about to reinforce the literal name of the topic and provide further discussion, is correct while the OP and everyone else is wrong. Got it. Checks out.

[Bolovo]

Originally posted by Eldyra:

Originally posted by Bolovo:

if you take op's question literally, there is no discussion. which is obviously not the point of the thread. you then proceed to call not taking it literally "strawmanning". Is this good faith behaviour? should i pretend you cannot grasp hyperboles?

Got it. So you're stating that your "interpretation" of what the OP said, and even posted a video about to reinforce the literal name of the topic and provide further discussion, is correct while the OP and everyone else is wrong. Got it. Checks out.

sure, ignore that the video has been a response to other two videos by two of the biggest total war streamer on youtube as if this question hasn't been repeatedly posed inthis way. don't you have some high elves miniatures to paint, btw?

[Eldyra]

Originally posted by Bolovo:

Originally posted by Eldyra:

Got it. So you're stating that your "interpretation" of what the OP said, and even posted a video about to reinforce the literal name of the topic and provide further discussion, is correct while the OP and everyone else is wrong. Got it. Checks out.

sure, ignore that the video has been a response to other two videos by two of the biggest total war streamer on youtube as if this question hasn't been repeatedly posed inthis way. don't you have some high elves miniatures to paint, btw?

Hey I get it. You guys have had a slow few months since Thrones of Decay. There isn't much ability to manufacture the outrage right now so it just stays all pent up inside. Go on, get it all out of your system. I totally understand, it's a disease, not a choice. But always remember, getting help IS a choice.