Isn't the Book of Grudges' existence being common knowledge kind of a giant target on the entire Dwarf race?

[Emiscary]

'Cuz it's not a secret AFAIK. They make it very clear that they have a literal exhaustively thorough book of unresolved grudges that they will never ever ever ever ever let go, and they plan to make good on every promise of bloody revenge inside of it.

So... basically, that's the Karaz Ankor saying in no uncertain terms that if you ever cross them? You should be fighting to the death, and working to make *sure* no Dwarfs survive. Because if any do? At some point, even if it's 300+ generations from now? An angry mob of malding manlets will come marching out the mountains to meatgrind your entire lineage.

And considering Dwarfs are a race in decline as it is... yeah. The whole thing strikes me as wildly counter-productive. It's like saying:

'No, no, no. Please don't negotiate. Go scorched earth. Root-and-stem us. It's literally the only option we'll give you.'

[ope84]

In the wood elf (or high elf) army book is written that every race flaws are exaggerated by the Chaos Influence. So the high elves are super arrogant than usual because of Chaos, Dwarfs are super conservative, stubborn and vengenful than usual because of Chaos, the dark elves are super edgy than usual because of chaos, wood elves are more isolationist than usual because of Chaos and so on...

[Zeek]

I don't think the Dwarf's enemies give a crap about their diary. Any of them.

[Emiscary]

Originally posted by ope84:

the dark elves are super edgy because of chaos

The Dark Elves don't need outside help to edgelord. :P

And the crux of the point was: the Book of Grudges should probably be a racial secret. 'Cuz... yeah, it creates world building problems otherwise.

(Everyone should be treating Dwarfs like nutcases who you religiously avoid... because that's their stated racial credo.)

[KoboldUtopian]

I don't think every grudge needs to be settled with death.

[Emiscary]

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

I don't think every grudge needs to be settled with death.

Really? 'Cuz the War of the Beard being "settled" by them taking the Phoenix Crown apparently means jack Schitt according to the Legendary Grudges tab. Half of Ulthuan evidently needs to burn for that one (which Malekith caused).

[KoboldUtopian]

Originally posted by Emiscary:

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

I don't think every grudge needs to be settled with death.

Really? 'Cuz the War of the Beard being "settled" by them taking the Phoenix Crown apparently means jack Schitt according to the Legendary Grudges tab. Half of Ulthuan evidently needs to burn for that one (which Malekith caused).

Many of them do need to be settled with blood.

The description of that one is basically "wait, actually we aren't satisfied".

[Emiscary]

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

"wait, actually we aren't satisfied".

That's even more reason to treat them like mold. They have a take-backsies clause on the blood oaths that they declared satisfied at one point because they heard sufficient grumbling about it to go reap more souls.

Souls multiple generations removed from whatever it was that got their butt-beards in a twist in the first place.

(Seriously, it's a fun gimmick, but if you think about it for 5 seconds you realise it really does make their position as chummy BFFs to humans in-setting pretty hard to buy.)

Oh, and before they changed the grudge system? There was entry in that book that made it clear that being shorted a single dollar on a single transaction could only be solved with war.

Now that I think on it? There is literally no example I am aware of in any medium of a grudge being settled in any other fashion except through blood.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Emiscary:

Really? 'Cuz the War of the Beard being "settled" by them taking the Phoenix Crown apparently means jack Schitt according to the Legendary Grudges tab. Half of Ulthuan evidently needs to burn for that one (which Malekith caused).

I mean, aside from the chaos dwarf's and K8P, the War of the Beard is the top grudge for Dwarfs. The level of outrage and embarrassment from a race known for being offended and grumpy was legendary. It actually involved the entire race for both Dwarfs and Elfs at the time so the game saying it can only be settled by razing half of Uthuan isn't entirely unrealistic.

[Emiscary]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by Emiscary:

Really? 'Cuz the War of the Beard being "settled" by them taking the Phoenix Crown apparently means jack Schitt according to the Legendary Grudges tab. Half of Ulthuan evidently needs to burn for that one (which Malekith caused).

I mean, aside from the chaos dwarf's and K8P, the War of the Beard is the top grudge for Dwarfs. The level of outrage and embarrassment from a race known for being offended and grumpy was legendary. It actually involved the entire race for both Dwarfs and Elfs at the time so the game saying it can only be settled by razing half of Uthuan isn't entirely unrealistic.

"Oh, and before they changed the grudge system? There was entry in that book that made it clear that being shorted a single dollar on a single transaction could only be solved with war."

[Amphibian Artillery]

I thought according to the lore Thorgrim has been repairing relationships with the high elves. Devs only added in the high elf grudge just to simulate the war of the beard for players since it would be fun.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Emiscary:

Originally posted by Zeek:

I mean, aside from the chaos dwarf's and K8P, the War of the Beard is the top grudge for Dwarfs. The level of outrage and embarrassment from a race known for being offended and grumpy was legendary. It actually involved the entire race for both Dwarfs and Elfs at the time so the game saying it can only be settled by razing half of Uthuan isn't entirely unrealistic.

"Oh, and before they changed the grudge system? There was entry in that book that made it clear that being shorted a single dollar on a single transaction could only be solved with war."

I don't know about that one, but also keep in mind grudges have a severity. In one of the Gotrek and Felix books, there are Dwarfs who have grudges against other Dwarfs, but they don't kiil each other. They refuse to cooperate and even bust out into a brawl, but no one died.

[Emiscary]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by Emiscary:

"Oh, and before they changed the grudge system? There was entry in that book that made it clear that being shorted a single dollar on a single transaction could only be solved with war."

I don't know about that one, but also keep in mind grudges have a severity. In one of the Gotrek and Felix books, there are Dwarfs who have grudges against other Dwarfs, but they don't kiil each other. They refuse to cooperate and even bust out into a brawl, but no one died.

So the only non-lethal grudges are inter-Dawi, and still violent. Fancy that.

Meaning my initial point still stands.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Emiscary:

So the only non-lethal grudges are inter-Dawi, and still violent. Fancy that.

Meaning my initial point still stands.

My point was that all grudges aren't all settled in death, which was what your actual point was advocating.

That was a single example. I assume there are some with like that with all races except for the evil races like greenskins and skaven.

[Emiscary]

Originally posted by Zeek:

I assume there are some with like that with all races except for the evil races like greenskins and skaven.

Assume being the keyword, because there's no examples to reach for.

(Also? Every time I get to the pay for peace phase of my High Elf runs? Guess which member of the order gang can't be placated indefinitely and eventually declares war on someone else -- thereby shattering literal world peace? ...It's usually Belegar, but it's often Thorgrim or Thorek. Bizarrely? Ungrim is the most chill in practice.)

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Emiscary:

Assume being the keyword, because there's no examples to reach for.

Where is the proof that says grudges are death-only? I gave you an example that says it's not.