Is Borus Ursus meant to be alive in the lore?

[Chuddly]

Or did CA just "revive" him for fun and to give Kislev another faction? Like is he dead in the lore towards the end times, or whenever the game takes place?

Part of why I ask is because I love playing as him but taking out Archaon, even if you do it ASAP, and returning to Kislev in my experience means Kislev is wiped out and you then have to play whack-a-mole with Azazel, Throt, random marauder factions and any annoying chaos factions you met in the wastes plus chaos dwarves, sometimes orcs, vampires and maybe drycha. Very annoying, and Kislev's early economy sucks.

[Dr. Uncredible]

He died in battle in the OG lore.

Interestingly enough, Boris being revived by the dying roars of the god Ursun seems to now be on the official wiki, and thus GW canon, I had no idea!

[Da_Higg]

It's best to see TW:WH as a "best of the setting" rather than try to pin it down to any one point in the lore, so characters that lived hundreds of years apart can happily rub shoulders/murder each other in this game.

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

He died in battle in the OG lore.

Interestingly enough, Boris being revived by the dying roars of the god Ursun seems to now be on the official wiki, and thus GW canon, I had no idea!

Interesting. So he is meant to be revived then? Or Ursun dies later on?

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by Da_Higg:

It's best to see TW:WH as a "best of the setting" rather than try to pin it down to any one point in the lore, so characters that lived hundreds of years apart can happily rub shoulders/murder each other in this game.

ooohhhh I see. So there are characters in the game who are mortal who in the lore didn't live alongside each other?

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by Chud:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

He died in battle in the OG lore.

Interestingly enough, Boris being revived by the dying roars of the god Ursun seems to now be on the official wiki, and thus GW canon, I had no idea!

Interesting. So he is meant to be revived then? Or Ursun dies later on?

Yeah, in the current canon he was revived by the dying god, and I could not find any info on Ursun actually dying, so I guess it´s canon that the good guys won in the Realms of Chaos campaign.

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by Chud:

Originally posted by Da_Higg:

It's best to see TW:WH as a "best of the setting" rather than try to pin it down to any one point in the lore, so characters that lived hundreds of years apart can happily rub shoulders/murder each other in this game.

ooohhhh I see. So there are characters in the game who are mortal who in the lore didn't live alongside each other?

Quite a few, Repanse of Brettonia, Grom the Paunch of the Greenskins and Vlad von Carstein of the Vampire Counts off the top of my head are canonically long dead in the "current age" of Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

[ik vind geschiedenis leuk]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Originally posted by Chud:

ooohhhh I see. So there are characters in the game who are mortal who in the lore didn't live alongside each other?

Quite a few, Repanse of Brettonia, Grom the Paunch of the Greenskins and Vlad von Carstein of the Vampire Counts off the top of my head are canonically long dead in the "current age" of Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

vlad and mannfred were revived with an acceptable explanation, however

[Dr. Uncredible]

Originally posted by ik vind geschiedenis leuk:

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Quite a few, Repanse of Brettonia, Grom the Paunch of the Greenskins and Vlad von Carstein of the Vampire Counts off the top of my head are canonically long dead in the "current age" of Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

vlad and mannfred were revived with an acceptable explanation, however

Sure, i mean Vlad is notorious for not staying dead.
And Mannfred is almost as powerful.

[KeiranG19]

Originally posted by Da_Higg:

It's best to see TW:WH as a "best of the setting" rather than try to pin it down to any one point in the lore, so characters that lived hundreds of years apart can happily rub shoulders/murder each other in this game.

With the addition of new Kislev and Cathay TW:WH is a de facto new independent continuity separate from WH: Fantasy Battles and WH: The Old World.

[AurumHawke]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Originally posted by Chud:

Interesting. So he is meant to be revived then? Or Ursun dies later on?

Yeah, in the current canon he was revived by the dying god, and I could not find any info on Ursun actually dying, so I guess it´s canon that the good guys won in the Realms of Chaos campaign.

Imperial Calendar says:
2502 IC - Karl Franz is elected Emperor - WH1/ME/IE starts here.
2512 IC - Tzar Boris dies mysteriously.
2517 IC - Tzar Boris dies fighting the Kurgan.
Apparently he died twice? He was frozen after dying in the battle.

So Boris is supposed to be alive in IE, and his start position reflects he's out fighting Chaos at that time. Yes, Katarin shouldn't be Tzarina yet.
RoC is the prequel to WH1/ME/IE but its timeline is clearly set after them - this is the Advisor and his Tzeentch book doing Tzeentch things with continuity.

Originally posted by KeiranG19:

With the addition of new Kislev and Cathay TW:WH is a de facto new independent continuity separate from WH: Fantasy Battles and WH: The Old World.

A de facto Tzeentchian continuity for a Tzeentchian Total War simulation.

[Amphibian Artillery]

As the guy above me said IE is set during Karl Franz inauguration which is a decade before Boris' canonical death. This also means that Tzarina Katarin is still a young child since she takes the throne at 18 in the lore

[Chuddly]

Originally posted by Amphibian Artillery:

As the guy above me said IE is set during Karl Franz inauguration which is a decade before Boris' canonical death. This also means that Tzarina Katarin is still a young child since she takes the throne at 18 in the lore

I never played the table top. I guess if you played with an army with Franz against Katarina you ignored the lore issue and the pc game is meant to simulate what if scenarios and fun more than lore?

[Woldy]

He officially is because of WH3.
He originally died in troll country but got retconned so he fell into a river during the same battle and got frozen into the side of a mountain until the roar of Ursun made him rise to fight for the motherland once again.

and while retcons is usually something i roll my eyes at, this one is pretty cool in my opinion.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by Dr. Uncredible:

Originally posted by Chud:

ooohhhh I see. So there are characters in the game who are mortal who in the lore didn't live alongside each other?

Quite a few, Repanse of Brettonia, Grom the Paunch of the Greenskins and Vlad von Carstein of the Vampire Counts off the top of my head are canonically long dead in the "current age" of Warhammer Fantasy Battles.

for vlad, its not so simple, he has died a good number of times but the fker keeps coming back, thats kinda his thing. he gets a lot of power, gets defeated, gets ressurected. repeat. its the main reason hes been such a thorny prick in the pizzle for a lot of the empires history.

[AurumHawke]

Guess the softer correction means I covered the important bits this time.
Wait, that was just last week? Suppose how-to was most important then.

Originally posted by Chud:

I never played the table top. I guess if you played with an army with Franz against Katarina you ignored the lore issue and the pc game is meant to simulate what if scenarios and fun more than lore?

Tabletop (generally, any game) doesn't have to stick to lore to be fun, but lore-scenarios can be interesting too - often with special objectives beyond "beat the other team".
Era/Timeline restrictions are common for in-universe campaign sessions, but some explanation can usually be made for things as-needed. As long as it's not too much of a stretch.