Getting all legendary lords as empire?

[Teufels Beitrag]

I wonder if it is possible to get all the legendary lords as Karl Franz on the imortal empires map. I hate these one legendary lord factions and in the past installments where these lords where located within the empire, you could confoederate them, but now they are at the other ends of the map and most likely they are wiped out before i read them and make contact. How for example is Balthasar Gelt supposed to survive in Cathay with his tiny army? Or is there an automatism that they return to the empire when they are destroyed?

[Tavio]

you could look for a mod that lets you recruit defeated legendary lords.

alternatively, yes, gelt can sometimes survive, bu more often times, you have to go out of your way to go meet gelt, volkmar and markus to confederate them

[Elitewrecker PT]

It's possible, but without mods you are, as you said, dependent on the AI surviving.

[zacharyb]

I hope they'll add a system for each faction to recruit/confederate other LL's like the Beastmen and Dwarves have, at least where it makes sense.

Would be nice to not have to rely on a mod for it, especially since some factions already have it in the base game.

[KoboldUtopian]

Doesn't Franz now have a magic button to confederate them now?

[Immortalis]

Possible? Yes.
Probable? Not really
Easy? Definitely no.

Gelt nowadays work exactly as Wulfhart has been working from day 1: you can confederate him if you get to him before he's wiped out; best bet is probably to send a hero straight to him from turn 1 but even then, no guarantee

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

Doesn't Franz now have a magic button to confederate them now?

It only work for factions within the empire (elector count factions), so when it comes to legendary lords of the empire you can only use it for Elspeth. Also it requires 10 fealty and 2500 prestige, so its expensive.

[KoboldUtopian]

Originally posted by Immortalis:

Possible? Yes.
Probable? Not really
Easy? Definitely no.

Gelt nowadays work exactly as Wulfhart has been working from day 1: you can confederate him if you get to him before he's wiped out; best bet is probably to send a hero straight to him from turn 1 but even then, no guarantee

I think you can get a trade agreement with Zhao Ming after seeing one of his caravans and that should give you sight with Gelt to start building up relations.

[KeiranG19]

Collecting all of the legendary lords every campaign like they're pokemon isn't the "intended" way that CA expects you to play, therefore it is entirely up to chance if they live long enough for you to confederate them all.

[dulany67]

Lionheart10x has a currently running series where as Elspeth he has confederate every LL except Volkmar. That includes Franz.

So I assume Franz can do it also.

[RomulanPraetor]

Or just get over to their starting area and revive them...

[JODEGAFUN]

Elspeth have it much easier as Franz (that they survice), just need the tech to discover them. And the you can build a tower and teleport an army to save them.

[AkumulatoR]

In my experience Gelt does survive till endgame pretty much all the time. It's usually Volkmar who dies first, then Markus, so focus on sending an agent their way asap and you should be fine.

[endurstonehelm]

I have gotten all Empire LLs at KF. It is easiest to get all LLs as KF, Elspeth is next in difficulty, then Volkmar, then the rest.

The way I did it, I sent 2 lords by sea early on. the first lord went to visit Volkmar immediately. Volkmar is the LL most likely to be killed, so you need to get there fast to spot him so you have a chance to confederate him. The second LL went to visit Markus and then off to visit Gelt through the sea lans. Markus and Gelt are relatively stable.
If Elspeth or another elector count is killed, they are easy to bring back. If a non-elector count LL is defeated, they are harder to bring back (you have to take the settlement, cause a rebellion, lose the settlement to the rebels, then go to peace and confedreate).
KF is the best for confederating all factions, because the upgraded imperial confederation action allows KF to instantly confederate an LL every 5 turns. So you can get all six LLs within 25 turns once you have the upgraded confederation action.

Elspeth doesn't have the imperial confederation action, but she does have visibility technology to see all the LLs, so you don't have to travel a long ways to find the other LLs.

[endurstonehelm]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

Doesn't Franz now have a magic button to confederate them now?

It only work for factions within the empire (elector count factions), so when it comes to legendary lords of the empire you can only use it for Elspeth. Also it requires 10 fealty and 2500 prestige, so its expensive.

The upgraded version of this ability works on all factions and does not require fealty 10. So get the upgraded version, and you can recruit all the LLs within 25 turns.

[RomulanPraetor]

Originally posted by endurstonehelm:

(you have to take the settlement, cause a rebellion, lose the settlement to the rebels, then go to peace

No you can force the rebellion for the enemy and raid, sack them and spam -control heroes and lords. After they rebell on the enemy and you "rediscover" them as a faction, you can instantly trade them a settlement or two. Also they should like you for being at war with their former invader.