why there is no chaos god of machine

[hellatze]

i think it would be cool if we make a lot of robot and creature that live like robot will give birth of new chaos gods.

[Lord Farquad]

Originalmente postado por Bloodwyrm Wildheart:

There could very well be one and we just don't know about it because it isn't powerful enough. Hell, there's literally a chaos god of atheism. No, I'm not joking.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Necoho

that guy hasn't been mentioned since warhammer rpg 1st edition many many years ago, so it's probably not canon

[Human bean]

Originalmente postado por Lord Cumquad:

Originalmente postado por Bloodwyrm Wildheart:

There could very well be one and we just don't know about it because it isn't powerful enough. Hell, there's literally a chaos god of atheism. No, I'm not joking.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Necoho

that guy hasn't been mentioned since warhammer rpg 1st edition many many years ago, so it's probably not canon

Hey. What is written is always true

[Coldhands]

Originalmente postado por Zeek:

You're looking for the Omnissiah, and it's in another universe 40,000 years into the future

Is the Omnissiah actually real in 40k? Or do the AdMech just attribute the function of Dark Age technology they don't understand to the will of some god?

My favorite fan theory about the Omnissiah I ever heard was that the proto-AdMech found an advanced but damaged Dark Age AI during their reconquest of Mars during the Age of Strife, thought it must be a god, and then killed it with their worship because they kept burning loads incense and dumping "holy unguents" on a computer mainframe.

[Bloodwyrm Wildheart]

Originalmente postado por Lord Cumquad:

Originalmente postado por Bloodwyrm Wildheart:

There could very well be one and we just don't know about it because it isn't powerful enough. Hell, there's literally a chaos god of atheism. No, I'm not joking.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Necoho

that guy hasn't been mentioned since warhammer rpg 1st edition many many years ago, so it's probably not canon

Unless he's been retconned, for which I see no evidence in the article, he's canon.

Originalmente postado por Ashardalon:

because machines arnt a fundamental part of reality
they are a fleetingly short blip on the timeline of the universe, appearing and forgotten before reality can even notice

Most of the chaos gods do not represent a "fundamental part of reality" so this argument is moot.

[ϺEƳEƦ]

Originalmente postado por jonoliveira12:

Originalmente postado por ϺEƳEƦ:

You mean Vashtorr?

That is only in 40K.

I thought OP might have been talking about WH in general. Vashtor is kind of a new thing, so i thought OP might not be aware of him.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originalmente postado por Coldhands:

Is the Omnissiah actually real in 40k? Or do the AdMech just attribute the function of Dark Age technology they don't understand to the will of some god?

My favorite fan theory about the Omnissiah I ever heard was that the proto-AdMech found an advanced but damaged Dark Age AI during their reconquest of Mars during the Age of Strife, thought it must be a god, and then killed it with their worship because they kept burning loads incense and dumping "holy unguents" on a computer mainframe.

Its not completely 100% confirmed or anything.

But the warp in the warhammer 40k universe has a tendency to eventually create gods out of strong belief (One way it can happen is basically something along the lines of some warp entity starting to feed on the specific belief and then gets its form/behavior from that same belief, the warp being what you make it).

There is also talk about the void dragon (a C'tan) or at least a shard of the void dragon being sealed on Mars and it being the source of the belief in the Omnissiah.

Anyway, machine spirits seems to at least be a thing. Machines sometimes doing stuff on their own (without AI).

[Coldhands]

Originalmente postado por Garatgh Deloi:

Originalmente postado por Coldhands:

Is the Omnissiah actually real in 40k? Or do the AdMech just attribute the function of Dark Age technology they don't understand to the will of some god?

My favorite fan theory about the Omnissiah I ever heard was that the proto-AdMech found an advanced but damaged Dark Age AI during their reconquest of Mars during the Age of Strife, thought it must be a god, and then killed it with their worship because they kept burning loads incense and dumping "holy unguents" on a computer mainframe.

Its not completely 100% confirmed or anything. But the warp in the warhammer 40k universe has a tendency to eventually create gods out of strong belief (One way it can happen is basically something along the lines of some warp entity starting to feed on the specific belief and then gets its form/behavior from that same belief, the warp being what you make it).

Anyway, machine spirits seems to at least be a thing. Machines sometimes doing stuff on their own (without AI).

I've always preferred the idea that the vast majority of machine spirits are just operating systems and the AdMech are the equivalent of the 13th century church getting ahold of a bunch of iPhones.
Eventually they develop a ritualized chant that happens to include the words "Hey, Siri!" so now that's the required Right of Awakening they use to make Siri feel good about herself so she'll connect to the printer.

[Human bean]

Originalmente postado por Coldhands:

Originalmente postado por Garatgh Deloi:

Its not completely 100% confirmed or anything. But the warp in the warhammer 40k universe has a tendency to eventually create gods out of strong belief (One way it can happen is basically something along the lines of some warp entity starting to feed on the specific belief and then gets its form/behavior from that same belief, the warp being what you make it).

Anyway, machine spirits seems to at least be a thing. Machines sometimes doing stuff on their own (without AI).

I've always preferred the idea that the vast majority of machine spirits are just operating systems and the AdMech are the equivalent of the 13th century church getting ahold of a bunch of iPhones.
Eventually they develop a ritualized chant that happens to include the words "Hey, Siri!" so now that's the required Right of Awakening they use to make Siri feel good about herself so she'll connect to the printer.

Sure thing, Joe

[Coldhands]

^Who's Joe?

[Human bean]

Originalmente postado por Coldhands:

^Who's Joe?

I was just fishing :S

[Lord Farquad]

Originalmente postado por Human bean:

Originalmente postado por Coldhands:

^Who's Joe?

I was just fishing :S

fishing with joe mamma

[Abacus]

technically the Tomb Kings.

[DuX1112]

Originalmente postado por DasaKamov:

Originalmente postado por DuX1112:

True, they're a living creature so why not? Feels strange that they can't be "chaosed."

TONS of reasons why Tyranids can't be "Chaosed". For one, the Chaos gods expand their influence by seducing and corrupting mortals. It's totally impossible to corrupt an all-powerful alien hive-mind that is likely incomprehensible even to the "big four" Chaos gods themselves.

Secondly, there's nothing Chaos could seduce the Tyranids WITH. Tyranids are completely uninterested in war or violence except as a means to an end, so Khorne is out. Tyranids don't feel pleasure in any way a human or human-like creature would understand, so Slaanesh is out. Tyranids aren't interested in forbidden knowledge, and evolve as needed, so Tzeentch is out and Tyranid evolution has practically erased all traces of disease and contamination from their bloodlines, to Nurgle is out.

In the same vein, none of the Chaos gods would find Tyranids interesting in even the slightest way; they wouldn't even WANT to corrupt the 'Nids.

None of this is convincing

[AurumHawke]

Originalmente postado por DuX1112:

Originalmente postado por DasaKamov:

TONS of reasons why Tyranids can't be "Chaosed". For one, the Chaos gods expand their influence by seducing and corrupting mortals. It's totally impossible to corrupt an all-powerful alien hive-mind that is likely incomprehensible even to the "big four" Chaos gods themselves.

None of this is convincing

Well, it's more that Chaos is drawn to psychic species, such as all the ones the Old Ones seeded the galaxy with (leading Chaos to the universe in the first place). Psykers in particular appear like bright flames to creatures of the Warp.

But the Tyranid synaptic links are explicitly non-psychic (operating on a near-but-not-psychic/warp subspace frequency) - the scope and scale of which, along with their sheer biological mass, causes the Shadow in the Warp phenomenon.
Beyond that, the cold logic of the Norns and the raw instinct of their drones are vastly inferior sources of chaos-energy compared to the emotion and ambitions of psychic species.

[Many-Named]

Originalmente postado por Coldhands:

Originalmente postado por Zeek:

You're looking for the Omnissiah, and it's in another universe 40,000 years into the future

Is the Omnissiah actually real in 40k? Or do the AdMech just attribute the function of Dark Age technology they don't understand to the will of some god?

My favorite fan theory about the Omnissiah I ever heard was that the proto-AdMech found an advanced but damaged Dark Age AI during their reconquest of Mars during the Age of Strife, thought it must be a god, and then killed it with their worship because they kept burning loads incense and dumping "holy unguents" on a computer mainframe.

100% canon, and of course he is real in game.