When will CA fix their engine?

[⎛⎝Gilgamesh⎠⎞]

Guys..... Can we chat for a bit? CA's TW engine is good enough but it's not great. AI and quality of life Issues have persisted through several TW games. It's to the point where we expect it and say, "oh that's just CA!!!"

From what i've heard, the engine isn't something that can be easily fixed. Those involved in its development have moved on to new company and those who remain can't "fix" the engine's shortcomings without breaking 10 other things.

CA's finally at least pretending like they're listening to us. Can we make some noise about improving the engine? For god's sake, I would really like mounted units, large entities, and hit detection to work in the next TW game.

CA has time to churn out a new DLC every few months and make these trash saga games + half ass copy paste titles (pharaoh). How about they fix the engine... OR as i understand may be necessary, rebuild it.

This can be nothing but good for us. It's not immediately profitable for CA hence why they haven't tackled it but If we ask for it louder... who knows?

[Eldi]

How is it profitable?

Dlc already sell.
Most enjoy the game despite the flaws.

AI updates in a meaningful way are not simply a button push change.

We are at the mercy of hopes and prayers but don't be fooled into thinking a new engine is an easy switch.

[Aranea]

man everytime i hear someone talk about any company fixing their engine i wonder if they understand how that stuff works, i would be very surprised they won't make things better on a base line for whatever comes next, be it the star wars rumor be it 40k, i don't think we need to make noise about that.

[⎛⎝Gilgamesh⎠⎞]

Originally posted by Eldi:

How is it profitable?

Dlc already sell.
Most enjoy the game despite the flaws.

AI updates in a meaningful way are not simply a button push change.

We are at the mercy of hopes and prayers but don't be fooled into thinking a new engine is an easy switch.

Well i did say it wouldn't be immediately profitable. That said, fixing issues that have persisted through the last 6 titles and improving your base product isn't going to cause LESS people to buy the game. TW has a bit of a "cult" following. I've spoken to people IRL who love Warhammer but have never heard of Total War. Improving the game will result in better reviews and more eyes on the title and longevity. Also rebuilding the engine to be more modular creates a higher quality ceiling for the franchise we love.

I never said it would be easy. In fact, i think i implied the opposite. They'll likely need to bring in competent contractors. The potential success if done right will recoup those contractor hours down the road.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Aranea:

man everytime i hear someone talk about any company fixing their engine i wonder if they understand how that stuff works, i would be very surprised they won't make things better on a base line for whatever comes next, be it the star wars rumor be it 40k, i don't think we need to make noise about that.

I think most of the armchair experts think the game runs in Excel and can be fixed by editing cell back colors on the 5th worksheet.

[Inardesco]

Originally posted by Aranea:

man everytime i hear someone talk about any company fixing their engine i wonder if they understand how that stuff works, i would be very surprised they won't make things better on a base line for whatever comes next, be it the star wars rumor be it 40k, i don't think we need to make noise about that.

Yeah.

They think that an engine can be created in a month and then everyone can work with it.

They can't understand that CA has been updating and workign with the current engine since 2005 or so, with the first released game with it being Empire TW.

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Bremer Dan Gorst:

I would really like mounted units, large entities, and hit detection to work in the next TW game.

Except...they already do?

I don't disagree that the engine is dated, mind, but there's absoultely no possible way a new game engine would affect Total Warhammer 3 (or 1, or 2) in any way. You can't retroactively cram a brand new game engine into old games.

Also, there it's EXTREMELY unlikely there will be a Total Warhammer 4; CA has said since Warhammer 2 that the game was conceptualized as a Trilogy only.

[⎛⎝Gilgamesh⎠⎞]

Originally posted by DasaKamov:

Originally posted by Bremer Dan Gorst:

I would really like mounted units, large entities, and hit detection to work in the next TW game.

Except...they already do?

I don't disagree that the engine is dated, mind, but there's absoultely no possible way a new game engine would affect Total Warhammer 3 (or 1, or 2) in any way. You can't retroactively cram a brand new game engine into old games.

Also, there it's EXTREMELY unlikely there will be a Total Warhammer 4; CA has said since Warhammer 2 that the game was conceptualized as a Trilogy only.

I'm not even thinking of just Warhammer. I'm thinking of Total War. The engine is dated and if they keep recycling it instead of rebuilding it, then we're just re-using the same bandages for the same wounds.

[⎛⎝Gilgamesh⎠⎞]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by Aranea:

man everytime i hear someone talk about any company fixing their engine i wonder if they understand how that stuff works, i would be very surprised they won't make things better on a base line for whatever comes next, be it the star wars rumor be it 40k, i don't think we need to make noise about that.

I think most of the armchair experts think the game runs in Excel and can be fixed by editing cell back colors on the 5th worksheet.

You uhh... You just read the title of the post, didn't you?

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Bremer Dan Gorst:

Originally posted by Zeek:

I think most of the armchair experts think the game runs in Excel and can be fixed by editing cell back colors on the 5th worksheet.

You uhh... You just read the title of the post, didn't you?

Nope. The whole post.

But funny enough, it can be summarized in the title.

[Jack Greedy]

It will be uber nice to see new engine or seriously updated one in the new title from CA, they are capable of doing so.

[Eldi]

Originally posted by Bremer Dan Gorst:

Originally posted by Eldi:

How is it profitable?

Dlc already sell.
Most enjoy the game despite the flaws.

AI updates in a meaningful way are not simply a button push change.

We are at the mercy of hopes and prayers but don't be fooled into thinking a new engine is an easy switch.

Well i did say it wouldn't be immediately profitable. That said, fixing issues that have persisted through the last 6 titles and improving your base product isn't going to cause LESS people to buy the game. TW has a bit of a "cult" following. I've spoken to people IRL who love Warhammer but have never heard of Total War. Improving the game will result in better reviews and more eyes on the title and longevity. Also rebuilding the engine to be more modular creates a higher quality ceiling for the franchise we love.

I never said it would be easy. In fact, i think i implied the opposite. They'll likely need to bring in competent contractors. The potential success if done right will recoup those contractor hours down the road.

Maybe I misread/misinterpreted your words then sorry.
I don't think a, let's say 'more perfect' game would get much more players. It's already semi niche.

I am all for it but, truly. This game could be truly epic rather than just 'fun'.
From a business side though, that's a hell of a lot of technical debt you won't get back.
Don't forget this is 3 games in 2, with the oldest being old.

New games are likely on new engines so is a moot point.

[Zé Bonitinho]

Why would CA make a new engine if people keep buying their software regardless?

[DasaKamov]

Originally posted by Zé Bonitinho:

Why would CA make a new engine if people keep buying their software regardless?

Conversely, why would CA make a new engine when certain people (cough cough) would yowl and wail about how they're an "incompetent" and "lazy" company, regardless?

[Zeek]

Originally posted by Zé Bonitinho:

Why would CA make a new engine if people keep buying their software regardless?

Maybe people like you those people should put their money where their mouth is and stop supporting a self-described pathetic company and their products.

But that of course would require integrity, a rare commodity for keyboard warriors.

[Mollerz]

When 40k comes out.