Dragons ( atleast for highelves feel underwhelming)

[Sea Salt]

Like said above, they are very clunky super expensive and just kinda loose to 2 units of spears. It takes forever to get in the air ( maybe its a bug, sometimes they seem to get stuck in a unit).
Why do standart spear units are so op anyway, like they can fight like any monster unit with insane trade off,I know you need to counter big monsters too but, fells underwhelming if you have a cool monster just getting rekt by some random spear unit.

Tldr: I think Dragons need some better animations, maybe an insta in the air move , that damages units around when flapping the wings.

(Does this actually go to developers or do I need to bring this to a different forum?)

[Mei]

Notice how spear units have a specific stat for anti-large? Dragons are large, so maybe don't use them against units made to counter them.

[Machine Spirit]

Airborne, the dragons are underwhelming, they are too slow and clunky. I prefer them on the ground because it means I don't have to babysit them as much.

Regarding their movement/animation in the air, it looks bad. They look like they are struggling to get anywhere, like they have arthritis or something.

[Mors Avis]

Back in the day, there was a "real flight mod" that increased the speed of all flying units and modified some other attributes so they turned better and had smoother attack animations.

That mod made dragons "feel" a lot more like the dragons described in the Warhammer lore and novels, as opposed to the slow, bloated "flappy things" they are in the game.

Edit: This seems to be the successor to the original mod:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2902030444&searchtext=Real+flight

[Aranea]

Publicado originalmente por Sometimes you gotta eat a fella:

Like said above, they are very clunky super expensive and just kinda loose to 2 units of spears. It takes forever to get in the air ( maybe its a bug, sometimes they seem to get stuck in a unit).
Why do standart spear units are so op anyway, like they can fight like any monster unit with insane trade off,I know you need to counter big monsters too but, fells underwhelming if you have a cool monster just getting rekt by some random spear unit.

Tldr: I think Dragons need some better animations, maybe an insta in the air move , that damages units around when flapping the wings.

(Does this actually go to developers or do I need to bring this to a different forum?)

disagree, maybe in wh2, dragons have been buffed again and again in wh3 and i think they are more than fine currently

[Sea Salt]

Publicado originalmente por Mei:

Notice how spear units have a specific stat for anti-large? Dragons are large, so maybe don't use them against units made to counter them.

yes I know , you really didnt understand my point i guess.....
Imo something like Phoenixguards, Blackguards or other elite Spear units,should do good vs dragons, instead ur basic tier one dark elve speer unit.

[Aranea]

Publicado originalmente por Archon:

Back in the day, there was a "real flight mod" that increased the speed of all flying units and modified some other attributes so they turned better and had smoother attack animations.

That mod made dragons "feel" a lot more like the dragons described in the Warhammer lore and novels, as opposed to the slow, bloated "flappy things" they are in the game.

Edit: This seems to be the successor to the original mod:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2902030444&searchtext=Real+flight

while i never used this mod, i've played two different overhauls that tried to make dragons and other units movespeed more realistic, but in many ways while fun it kinda makes them impossible to be countered and even stronger than they already are

[Aranea]

Publicado originalmente por Sometimes you gotta eat a fella:

Publicado originalmente por Mei:

Notice how spear units have a specific stat for anti-large? Dragons are large, so maybe don't use them against units made to counter them.

yes I know , you really didnt understand my point i guess.....
Imo something like Phoenixguards, Blackguards or other elite Spear units,should do good vs dragons, instead ur basic tier one dark elve speer unit.

to be fair dark elf/high elf basic units, are by all accounts lore wise, also incredible.

[Sea Salt]

Publicado originalmente por Aranea:

Publicado originalmente por Sometimes you gotta eat a fella:

Like said above, they are very clunky super expensive and just kinda loose to 2 units of spears. It takes forever to get in the air ( maybe its a bug, sometimes they seem to get stuck in a unit).
Why do standart spear units are so op anyway, like they can fight like any monster unit with insane trade off,I know you need to counter big monsters too but, fells underwhelming if you have a cool monster just getting rekt by some random spear unit.

Tldr: I think Dragons need some better animations, maybe an insta in the air move , that damages units around when flapping the wings.

(Does this actually go to developers or do I need to bring this to a different forum?)

disagree, maybe in wh2, dragons have been buffed again and again in wh3 and i think they are more than fine currently

the biggest problem of them is, that they get stuck way too easy on the ground and cannot get up again, so they just walk akwardly around and can get killed easy

[GalloglassCA]

Dragons will probably get looked at again if not earlier than but likely when a High Elf dlc drops.

[Aranea]

Publicado originalmente por Sometimes you gotta eat a fella:

Publicado originalmente por Aranea:

disagree, maybe in wh2, dragons have been buffed again and again in wh3 and i think they are more than fine currently

the biggest problem of them is, that they get stuck way too easy on the ground and cannot get up again, so they just walk akwardly around and can get killed easy

I don't really think they can get killed that easily unless you really throw them into a terrible situation, in my expereience they don't really get stuck that often unless its cavalry, since cavalry isn't a unit you can just pull through with mass, as they don't even have animations for getting knocked down

[Hugh de Salle]

Publicado originalmente por Sometimes you gotta eat a fella:

Publicado originalmente por Mei:

Notice how spear units have a specific stat for anti-large? Dragons are large, so maybe don't use them against units made to counter them.

yes I know , you really didnt understand my point i guess.....
Imo something like Phoenixguards, Blackguards or other elite Spear units,should do good vs dragons, instead ur basic tier one dark elve speer unit.

Download RPFM learn how to use it (Takes 5 mins)

Open DB the battle_entities table and change the speed save and then open main_units table change the cost save then open land_units table and change armour or hit points of said Dragon and you now have the dragon you want.

Back up files before modding.

[valky]

Publicado originalmente por Hugh de Salle:

Open DB the battle_entities table and change the speed save and then open main_units table change the cost save then open land_units table and change armour or hit points of said Dragon and you now have the dragon you want.

Back up files before modding.

no need to change anything....they still have 65 ground speed, 95 charge speed & 4k mass....so instead of getting bogged down you just charge at another unit, that is slightly further away. Works with most single large units...

HE player always find something silly to change....it's not like HE also have very decent access to some serious Lores of Magic....that is designed to be used with single entities.

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

Learning how to best use their breath makes them more useful. When I watch new people play they tend to fly forward a bit then just breath attack into whatever enemy unit is oncoming, it only hits a soldiers and due to them moving forward some the the breath hits the ground behind them.
I found flying out to the side then either finding a ranged unit to hit from the side or wait until the lines are engaged and look for a juicy blob then fire from the side at your max range, the further the range the more entities the breath hits. As it recharges I then fly out to the back to kill arty and ranged units in melee, then come back to the side to breath on stuff again. It's a little bit bit of micro, but works out well. Best thing with elves is that you want a mage, so get a fire mage and he ends up with a fire dragon! You then get to cast which causes the enemy to be weak to fire then use your breath attack!! In the right position you can decimate the right targets.

[ChaffyExpert]

Publicado originalmente por CW:

Dragons will probably get looked at again if not earlier than but likely when a High Elf dlc drops.

Don't you dare say it.

Just don't.

Don't summon it.

[Hugh de Salle]

Publicado originalmente por valky:

Publicado originalmente por Hugh de Salle:

Open DB the battle_entities table and change the speed save and then open main_units table change the cost save then open land_units table and change armour or hit points of said Dragon and you now have the dragon you want.

Back up files before modding.

no need to change anything....they still have 65 ground speed, 95 charge speed & 4k mass....so instead of getting bogged down you just charge at another unit, that is slightly further away. Works with most single large units...

HE player always find something silly to change....it's not like HE also have very decent access to some serious Lores of Magic....that is designed to be used with single entities.

Op can police his game how he wants if he desires op Dragons let him have it.