Do female dwarfs (units, heroes and lords) exist?

[Dark King Tuga]

Do they exist in the lore?

[IonizedMercury]

They exist but they're invisible because GW was too lazy to add female Dwarf models, so they're treated in the same manner as Skaven breeders and Beastmen does, IE as mindless docile baby makers.
That GW had to reuse this peculiar societal setup twice is kind of lame.

[Bisexual Offender]

There are some, but you can probably count them on one hand. From memmory there`s Helgar Longplaits (who apparently get`s a model for Wh old world, so CA new dwarf LL when?) there`s Vala, wife of Belegar Ironhammer who became queen of Eight Peaks in Endtimes.

[SpaceGoatMage]

Only this one from back in the days.

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Helgar_Longplaits

[WhySoSalty]

aside from Helgar there is a female slayer from Doomseeker https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Gringri_Heldenbrand

[Googley Eye'd Bastard]

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

They exist but they're invisible because GW was too lazy to add female Dwarf models, so they're treated in the same manner as Skaven breeders and Beastmen does, IE as mindless docile baby makers.
That GW had to reuse this peculiar societal setup twice is kind of lame.

They are kept away from battle because yes their societal importance as child bearers is too important to lose yes but among dwarfs they are far more respected.

OP Since dwarfs are so long lived they've taken polyamory as a standard in their society, for example Valaya the dwaf goddess is wife to both Grungni and Grimnir and possibly grombrindal as well, just a little fun fact I thought i'd throw in.

[IonizedMercury]

Originally posted by Googley Eye'd Bastard:

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

They exist but they're invisible because GW was too lazy to add female Dwarf models, so they're treated in the same manner as Skaven breeders and Beastmen does, IE as mindless docile baby makers.
That GW had to reuse this peculiar societal setup twice is kind of lame.

They are kept away from battle because yes their societal importance as child bearers is too important to lose yes but among dwarfs they are far more respected.

No, they're precious commodities, they're otherwise not respected. Just like Skaven breeders and Beastmen does aren't.

And GW making the same excuse three times in a row is lame.

[Chaoslink]

I mean, I'd be among the group that'd expect you to make a very solid case why such characters should be added. If its just the classic woke argument that they should be there for inclusivity, diversity or whatever you can just stuff it and go find a different game to ruin. If a female dwarf existed in lore like has been suggested above and their importance in that lore is significant enough to put them in as a LL, then sure, I'm all for it. However, given what I know of dwarf lore in this universe, making half the generic lords or heroes female "just because" would be a bad decision and immersion breaking.

Make a suggestion, add support for it, justify it and offer it for consideration. That's the best that can be done.

Thematically for the fantasy setting though, I really don't feel like it'd fit too well. Maybe for Skaven in a desperate sense, but that kind of thing wouldn't fit an open battlefield setting.

[IonizedMercury]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

I mean, I'd be among the group that'd expect you to make a very solid case why such characters should be added. If its just the classic woke argument that they should be there for inclusivity, diversity or whatever you can just stuff it and go find a different game to ruin. If a female dwarf existed in lore like has been suggested above and their importance in that lore is significant enough to put them in as a LL, then sure, I'm all for it. However, given what I know of dwarf lore in this universe, making half the generic lords or heroes female "just because" would be a bad decision and immersion breaking.

Make a suggestion, add support for it, justify it and offer it for consideration. That's the best that can be done.

Thematically for the fantasy setting though, I really don't feel like it'd fit too well. Maybe for Skaven in a desperate sense, but that kind of thing wouldn't fit an open battlefield setting.

It's a fantasy universe and GW can implement any such characters if they want. That's all the justification that matters.

In fact, Chaosbane has a female dwarf engineer as selectable hero.

[Chaoslink]

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

It's a fantasy universe and GW can implement any such characters if they want. That's all the justification that matters.

In fact, Chaosbane has a female dwarf engineer as selectable hero.

Note, I'm not against adding them. But just slapping them in because they feel like it would be a bad move. Doing ANYTHING from a standpoint of "because I can" without any further justification or reasoning can be the single reason for a company going under. So no, they can't just do it if they want. Doing so can break established expectations, which many people would look at like a breach of contract. This can ruin a community's view of a company and spiral into some very bad places.

If they were to add in a dwarf faction that is all female for instance, anyone who likes or knows anything about the established lore would probably make a huge fuss about it and overall the addition would be poorly received. Such actions can permanently harm a company's reputation with its community.

[Royei]

IIRC it's because for every 10 male Dwarfs born, only 1 female is born, so they protected and Rarely seen, as most Warhammer media is about war and conflict, so you know....they don't show up in those due to rarity/protection. Most often they actually act as Priestesses and the like, given generally high stations because they tend to live longer, though many are also Engineers. There are a few notable exceptions, but they are just that, exceptions. There have been a few mentioned already, but there is also the daughter of Bardin in Vermintide 2, who is a Master Engineer herself and actual captain of her own Iron Ship, she has a whole story arc on the Vermintide 2 Website through her journal.

So, no, you won't see units of Female Dwarves, but a Legendary Hero or two wouldn't be out of the question.

[IonizedMercury]

Originally posted by Chaoslink:

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

It's a fantasy universe and GW can implement any such characters if they want. That's all the justification that matters.

In fact, Chaosbane has a female dwarf engineer as selectable hero.

Note, I'm not against adding them. But just slapping them in because they feel like it would be a bad move. Doing ANYTHING from a standpoint of "because I can" without any further justification or reasoning can be the single reason for a company going under.

That's how GW added about everything else to this universe. They're still around.

Why does adding more girly cooties always require an entire lore-based dissertation to be justified when nothing else did? Skaven, Chaos Dwarfs, Wood Elves, Beastmen, at one point they were not part of the game and then they were. Archaon, Karl Franz, Mannfred von Carstein were not part of the universe until they were. FYI, the only named character way back when Warhammer started was Heinrich Kemmler.

Did GW write extensive lore-justifications for adding anyone after him?

Please don't make the double-standard quite so obvious, pal.

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Googley Eye'd Bastard:

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

They exist but they're invisible because GW was too lazy to add female Dwarf models, so they're treated in the same manner as Skaven breeders and Beastmen does, IE as mindless docile baby makers.
That GW had to reuse this peculiar societal setup twice is kind of lame.

They are kept away from battle because yes their societal importance as child bearers is too important to lose yes but among dwarfs they are far more respected.

OP Since dwarfs are so long lived they've taken polyamory as a standard in their society, for example Valaya the dwaf goddess is wife to both Grungni and Grimnir and possibly grombrindal as well, just a little fun fact I thought i'd throw in.

Eeeew... i'll never play Dwarfs again.

Better search for some Elspeth R34 instead

[KoboldUtopian]

I assume they are like Terry Pratchett's dwarfs: roughly even distribution but outward looks are very homogeneous so culturally nearly everyone uses he/him pronouns.

[IonizedMercury]

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

I assume they are like Terry Pratchett's dwarfs: roughly even distribution but outward looks are very homogeneous so culturally nearly everyone uses he/him pronouns.

Nah, it's the same stupid justification as for Skaven and Beastmen, only one girl-Dwarf for 100 boy-Dwarfs.

Which means unless Dwarfs have frequently huge litters they should have died out way sooner.

[KoboldUtopian]

Originally posted by IonizedMercury:

Originally posted by CoerciveUtopian:

I assume they are like Terry Pratchett's dwarfs: roughly even distribution but outward looks are very homogeneous so culturally nearly everyone uses he/him pronouns.

Nah, it's the same stupid justification as for Skaven and Beastmen, only one girl-Dwarf for 100 boy-Dwarfs.

Which means unless Dwarfs have frequently huge litters they should have died out way sooner.

Well in that case, I'm sure the "as many as the narrative requires" applies to dwarfs too.