Nuln Gotrek and Felix Quest

[-HoK- Cian]

You know, I don't ever really complain about this game. But just this once, I'm going to. The Gotrek and Felix Quest for Nuln is quite possible the dumbest quest in the game. They suicide charge into the enemy and continue to press forward deeper into the press until they die. Short of rushing with a doom stack of some type, this quest is nearly impossible.

What moron thought this would be a fun and/or enjoyable challenge?

[Siodog]

Repeated to mesopotamic levels

Just charge forward and do human shield

[-HoK- Cian]

Tried that, Gotrek and Felix just push through my troops and continue the suicide charge into the whole enemy army.

[crypticmetaphor]

i think you may have tried it too early or with a bad army. i found it really easy tbh and i wasnt rolling in with a doomstack

[Adamsevs]

take a life wizard so he can heal the 2 idiots
pick some outriders with guns for the enemy characters (mostly their keeper of secret first, then their gatekeepers), some outriders with explosives shots for the crowds of enemies, and a very few knights of the black rose to support quickly gotrek and felix in the melee
I finished this quest with this army setup, it works well

[Kel'Thuzad]

Yep, it's quite silly for a range faction that wants to sit back.

Nevermind that they're both level 1 with bad stats, no items, and start the fight immediately in combat with an Exalted Keeper of Secrets

Personally I just the mod that lets you auto-resolve quest battles.

[Fendelphi]

Range faction that wants to sit back? I mean, sure, that is an option. But Elspeth is great with both Outriders, Nuln Ironsides and Knights of the Black Rose, all of which do not need to sit and wait, but can actively get closer and dismantle threats before they reach your artillery, as well as supporting forward elements. She can even bring a Dragon of her own, making her a powerful melee option.

Of course, there is the risk of starting the mission before you are really ready for it, but that is true for all quest battles. People need to remember that you can look at the army composition of the enemies in the quest tab, read the quest narrative(what is going on and what is the goal) and consider if their army is up for such a task.

[ℬℓα⊂₭ ℙℜ¡ℵ₠]

I had to wait until I was very over powered to save them comfortably, like I had 4 hell stormrocket batteries including 2 purple ones, and the purple heavy gun cav that were able to race up an kill anything trying to get to the idiot heroes, I also have Elspeth almost fully kitted out and upgraded so she could tank loads and fight well.
In all honestly I think the heroes are meant to stand in place and wait for the enemy to them giving you chance to put a defensive line around them, the fact they charge is likely a bug.

[Kōizumi Seishiro]

It is a fun and enjoyable quest battle for me. Pulled off victory on VH at second attempt. Don't sit back.

[Achilles]

Shouldn’t this be fairly easy since you begin this campaign with rocket batteries?

[-HoK- Cian]

I had a full army. Two Cannons, one rocket, One gunner, one nuln ironsides, multiple halbards and shielded spearmen, 2 Knights of Morr, an Empire Captain, Warrior Priest, Engineer, and Elsbeth on a dragon. Its extremely difficult to do enough damage to kill all the units and reinforcements before Gotrek and/or Felix die. This happens even when I charge in with all my melee.

[8Squirrels]

I don't think I've ever played an escort or 'guard the npc' mission in my entire gaming career where I felt my experience was enhanced by having to play babysitter. I personally found the mission to be enjoyable enough, but by no means because of the NPC heroes flopping about in it.

It used to be a generally accepted trope that this type of mission is the worst and with good reason: the NPCs programming seems to always be set to 'suicidal'

[valky]

It's not like Elspeth has access to Lore of Death.....sits probably on a frigging dragon, that alone could handle the quest.

You are given enough time to push forward - I actually did the quest just for the sake of money, but I hate that duo, because dwarf. Works for Malakai, though....

I did the quest rather late with Katarin, because I thought it would be actually hard.
So I got my sled, rushed in, pulled all 3 summoners, placed the ice-cloak on Gotrek, put the anti-hero- spell-garbage on anything once the CD was up.
You can even get your missile units in for support.....the Seeker-chariot has to die!

There was actually no rush on that mission, my Tzar-guard could catch up to Gotrek and support.
But then again Tzar-guard >>> Greatswords ^^
Bear-artillery was useless, thanks to the rapid movement.....and my cavalry were winged hussars and not even the bear-ones!

It's the perfect situation for lore-of-ice or death!

[Raider Deci]

Its not nuln-specific.

But yes its a damn escort-quest with squishy npc's and those are always a tumor that needs to be removed from games. As you pointed out instead of maybe backing a bit these 2 keeps charging forward. If the player could control them, which should be the easiest thing ever to patch in, this mission would not be an issue

How to complete? Rush to their position with melee-infantry so they get cover and lay down as much damage & magic as possible on the incoming troops, thats really that.

[Kite Kaze]

Do you have Warrior Priest?
Shield of Faith is a must. 40% ward save for Gotrex and Felix.
Use gun/cannon/luminark and eliminate keeper of secret, top priority.
Then put a luminark near Gotrex & Felix for 10%(20% if researched) ward save.
Finally use a life wizard to heal them.

[-HoK- Cian]

Originally posted by valky:

It's not like Elspeth has access to Lore of Death.....sits probably on a frigging dragon, that alone could handle the quest.

Doesn't work. The issue isn't fighting the enemies. The issue is keeping Gotrek and Felix alive. Its a poorly designed quest

You go and try to solo that quest with just Elspeth on your dragon. Let me know how that works out.