Frost Wyrm bug

[nlikely]

The beautiful wyrm is terrible right now. Just tested it, my frost wyrm lost to a single unit of greatswords. Feels like his attacks/animations are not killing infantry. His animations just knock them down.

[dulany67]

Did you cycle charge?

[nlikely]

Originally posted by dulany67:

Did you cycle charge?

Is that really necessary against an anti infantry that costs half the cost? lol.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by nlikely:

Originally posted by dulany67:

Did you cycle charge?

Is that really necessary against an anti infantry that costs half the cost? lol.

Yes if you want to kill the great swords.

[nlikely]

Originally posted by dulany67:

Originally posted by nlikely:

Is that really necessary against an anti infantry that costs half the cost? lol.

Yes if you want to kill the great swords.

Still, you gonna lose 80% of your health. It's a 400 upkeep giant monster. There's definitely a bug.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by nlikely:

Originally posted by dulany67:

Yes if you want to kill the great swords.

Still, you gonna lose 80% of your health. It's a 400 upkeep giant monster. There's definitely a bug.

I don't think we know whether it's an animation bug or intended yet. I would say that you should test again while cycal charging and see what you find.

Remember it's tier 3.

[TamoDogo]

are greatswords not anti-large?

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by nlikely:

Is that really necessary against an anti infantry that costs half the cost? lol.

Haven't tested the frost wyrm personally yet.

But cycle charging is often necessary with any unit that specializes in it. Many units that are meant to cycle charge (Especially many shock cav and chariots units) are completely useless unless you cycle charge, it would not surprise me if the frost wyrm falls into the same category.

[nlikely]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by nlikely:

Is that really necessary against an anti infantry that costs half the cost? lol.

Haven't tested the frost wyrm personally yet.

But cycle charging is often necessary with any unit that specializes in it. Many units that are meant to cycle charge (Especially many shock cav and chariots units) are completely useless unless you cycle charge, it would not surprise me if the frost wyrm falls into the same category.

Frost Wyrm loses HARD against any cheaper similar monster like rat ogres, varghulfs, etc.. Great swords was just an example. The point is, the thing is just underperforming really hard.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by nlikely:

Frost Wyrm loses HARD against any cheaper similar monster like rat ogres, varghulfs, etc.. Great swords was just an example. The point is, the thing is just underperforming really hard.

Not if (assumption since i have, as i said, not tested it myself yet) its meant to cycle charge and is strong while doing so.

Not every unit is meant for a straight up fight.

[nlikely]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by nlikely:

Frost Wyrm loses HARD against any cheaper similar monster like rat ogres, varghulfs, etc.. Great swords was just an example. The point is, the thing is just underperforming really hard.

Not if (assumption since i have, as i said, not tested it myself yet) its meant to cycle charge and is strong while doing so.

Not every unit is meant for a straight up fight. The Frost Wyrm is quicker then many similar monster, thus it should also be able to cycle charge similar monsters.

Then test it. You will see its currently weak. There are lots of reports about it.

[dulany67]

Originally posted by nlikely:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Haven't tested the frost wyrm personally yet.

But cycle charging is often necessary with any unit that specializes in it. Many units that are meant to cycle charge (Especially many shock cav and chariots units) are completely useless unless you cycle charge, it would not surprise me if the frost wyrm falls into the same category.

Frost Wyrm loses HARD against any cheaper similar monster like rat ogres, varghulfs, etc.. Great swords was just an example. The point is, the thing is just underperforming really hard.

It's anti infantry, right?

[Garatgh Deloi]

Test 1:
Tested him against Greatswords. Using 1 mod that allows me to use any unit as a lord (for 1 vs 1 testing).

With effective cycle charging he beats one units of Greatswords rather easily: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169348016
That said, it took a while, so my first impression is that the unit might need a buff. More testing required.

P.S Test 2:
Tested him against Rat Ogres, the Frost Wyrm doesn't seem to be able to effectively cycle charge them (they are too quick, even with the frostbite penalty) and thus the Frost Wyrm does get beaten. I am not even going to try a Varghulf (quicker and with regen).

P.P.S After doing a few tests with different units, yea the unit seems to need a buff (or a cost reduction), its rather lackluster. That said, i have heard its excellent as a mount.

[nlikely]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Test 1:
Tested him against Greatswords. Using 1 mod that allows me to use any unit as a lord (for 1 vs 1 testing).

With effective cycle charging he beats one units of Greatswords rather easily: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3169348016
That said, it took a while, so my first impression is that the unit might need a buff. More testing required.

Test 2:
Tested him against Rat Ogres, the Frost Wyrm doesn't seem to be able to effectively cycle charge them (they are too quick, even with the frostbite penalty) and thus the Frost Wyrm does get beaten. I am not even going to try a Varghulf (quicker and with regen).

How did you managed to win? :O
I tried 2 times cycle charging and I lost.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by nlikely:

How did you managed to win? :O
I tried 2 times cycle charging and I lost.

Charge, veer off, Charge, veer off. Repeat until win.

[Zbychu]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by nlikely:

How did you managed to win? :O
I tried 2 times cycle charging and I lost.

Charge, veer off, Charge, veer off. Repeat until win.

that makes frost wyrm require too much attention, on 1v1 it's fine, but harder to make it more effective with bigger armies
and i want to add the thing from the different frost wyrm thread, if its essentaily a chariot what makes it better than light war sleds?