Empire in 5.0+ Fealty

[JackSlater]

With Thrones of Decay i jumped into the fray. And once more it started with an Empire Campaign.
And boy o boy, the fealty/prestige rework sure is something.
In WH2 it could be rather ridiculous to have the first electors arround turn 20 (or even earlier) reach 10 fealty and have confederations dilemmas raining in.
With the current rework, if you are "unlucky" in that sense, you are left stranded with few or very few options to reinstate electors and thus raising their fealty and eventually confederate them.
If this is the intention to slow down confederation dramatically, than works as intended.
"Send Aid" being the only direct Fealty increasing mechanic on a 5 turn cooldown is interesting.
How are your experiences so far with that rework?

[Ashley]

Main issue with it for me was being hit heavily for losing counts and that's no longer the case

There is no luck involved with it. The elector counts are mostly minor factions and minor factions are mostly there to be fuel for major ones and Empire shouldn't be an exception to that

Major ai's can face an entire army and major city garrison, AR it and take very minimal loses. Minors are destined to lose.

If you waste time not conquering you are weakening yourself to a degree when you don't have an economy to support armies. So I mostly don't bother with the mechanic at all. Boris and Elspeth are worth keeping alive but besides that I don't care. If I do find the odd moment I care you can just keep bring them back with no issues.

[Da_Higg]

If you do the upgrade the Emperors Decrees it gets rid of the fealty requirement on the confederation power

[AkumulatoR]

Confed new faction every fifth turn, LL's included. How is that "slowed down" compared to wh2 where the timer was 20 turns and you had to turn the offer down lots of times to get enough authority?

[Urist Microcline]

I like it because now I don't have to give a ♥♥♥♥ about fealty or any Elector Counts living. In the old system I would have to keep Elector Counts alive so I can fealty farm to confederate Gelt but that's gone. In my current game it's turn 40 and every elector count is dead except for me as Franz and Elspeth because she's the new lord and CA waifu so she's invincible. That's perfect though because Elspeth is the only one I want to confederate.

Elector Counts dying is fantastic news because it means I can conquer their land for prestige to confederate Elspeth and money. I'm ready to confederate Elspeth but she's so useful as an ally conquering cities and developing them for me I'm keeping her alive. The AI is still laughably stupid and laser focused on the player so Elspeth can force march straight past massive enemy armies to conquer their entire county and the enemy won't do anything about it because MUST KILL PLAYER! NOTHING ELSE MATTERS! RAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

[JackSlater]

Originally posted by AkumulatoR:

Confed new faction every fifth turn, LL's included. How is that "slowed down" compared to wh2 where the timer was 20 turns and you had to turn the offer down lots of times to get enough authority?

Do you care to elaborte how you manage to confederate every 5 turns, with a -2 fealty penality on every confed? And a 5 turn cd on +2 fealty not to mention.

Not being hyperbolic, genuinely want to know.

[AkumulatoR]

Research the upgrade, as people mentioned above. With upgrade there's no -2 fealty.

[JackSlater]

Oh, sorry. I must've slipped that.
Allrighty, making a note to research that early on.

[Da_Higg]

Originally posted by AkumulatoR:

Research the upgrade, as people mentioned above. With upgrade there's no -2 fealty.

Nevermind the lack of -2 loyalty, the confederate power can be used on any empire faction regardless of loyalty, including Gelt and Volkmar