Please support this AI bug report

[Hecleas]

​I am the modder of "Hecleas AI Overhaul" I have spent thousands of hours trying to understand and master the "CAI" database tables related to AI behavior as best I can.

Since patch 4.0, the quality of AI in WH3 has been declining. With a lot of hardcoder problem that I can't modify with database values.


-However, I managed to correct the problem of the AI which remains blocked on the colonies from the 50th turns by increasing the table "attack" task significantly more than "defense" task in the cai_task_managment table.
But if this problem could be corrected without going through this solution which has a counterpart on the behavior of the AI that would be great.


-But a very important point is that I managed to find the "perfect" value to ensure that the AI is never suicidal, it will always position itself or attack with a 55-60% winrate.
Having found the right value in the "cai_personality_strategic_components_tables" table I no longer had any problem with suicide attacks or anything else. Except that since 5.0 the AI started doing suicide attacks while I kept the same values, regardless of the values put to try to correct the problem in the column "enemy strength modifier" and "enemy threat strength to modify".
Even when trying to make the AI overestimate the force value of the enemy, it seems that this was not taken into account. There is a real internal problem.


-A problem that has been present since the release of Warhammer 3. It is to be able to besiege a colony even if the enemy has more forces than us, and he will let himself die of attrition if we wish.


-Another problem related to hardcoding is at the level of war declarations. What does it matter about the values put in the tables linked to this.
There seems to be a maximum limit for declarations of war.
Before the tables worked correctly, if I put values too high in the table in question, the AI kept declaring war. Except today, it's blocked.


I don't know what's going on with the AI right now, but Pharaoh also has issues with declarations of war right now (the AI doesn't declare war on other AIs and the values in the DB doesn't change anything) So, being passionate about wanting to improve the AI of this “strategic” game, I wanted to share my feedback with you, hoping that it can help you, but above all, to be able to move things forward.

I remain at your disposal if you need details or other feedback from me.

https://community.creative-assembly.com/total-war/total-war-warhammer/bugs/2128?page=1
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/1d7euv8/please_support_this_ai_bug_report/

[Griffox]

Please review the priority of how you deal with the game's AI, it is 40% of the game, without a good AI it makes the game boring and unchallenging, after all, most people just play the game alone or with friends against the AI.
listen to what he has to say and who knows, maybe there will be a good collaboration between mods and developers.

[huey30]

Definitely my favorite mod, cant play WH3 without this one

[dulany67]

+1

[Cerb]

Please fix CA

[cogssystem]

A vital mod, allowing those who would otherwise stop playing to do so.

[Zé Bonitinho]

CA's AI code is a shameful disgrace.
I'm glad we have people like you willing to fix their sloppy work.
If Ca still has a shred of dignity left they would at least make the AI more moddable.

[DarkStar]

Is this why the ai gathered its stacks around its settlements after turn 40ish onwards? This has been a complaint since Warhammer 3 IEs. Is CA actively dumbing down the game even more every patch, or could this be a honest mistake on their part?

Thanks for the mods and all your work. Glad your not giving up on the strategy part of the game even if CA seems to have. And not giving up on modding their mess in general, a lot of the modders I follow have rightfully given up on this game. Mods keep my interest in this game alive, without them id have dumped the game around Immortal Empires release and I think patch 2.0 when they started dumbing down the game.

Content is all well and good but when the ai is dumbed down, and depth completely disappears, only to be replaced by nonexistent difficulty then I lose interest. I wish CA would do better on the base game, AI, pathfinding, sieges, etc.

[Havana [BE]]

Hello everyone. I've tried quite a few mods that modify the AI. Regardless of the mod used, it appears that the AI ​​performs suicidal actions. Just yesterday I continue my campaign with Grom, I have two full armies near a major settlement with the start of a waagh. Two armies of High Elves, of average quality, attacked me while the automatic resolution showed me “narrow victory”! Not even a pyrrhic victory! This is really strange and has been happening since 5.0 came out. For your information, I play on legendary difficulty.

[Pimpin Pippin]

Yes please!

[Lain]

support +1

[matlajs]

+1

[Squirrely Wrath]

less incentive for CA to acutally do their job.

kudos on the modder to put all this work and effort into it

[stormleo77]

+1

Game is actually in quite a terrible state right now. AI literally stops doing anything in the mid game. Battle AI literally breaks formation before taking a charge and the AI cannot comprehend how to build armies but tries to keep spamming lords to increase its power level.

I can't beleive this game is getting any praise right now. People are just soyfacing at their turn 1 doomstack machine and new LLs. ToD broke so many things but people were so eager to give CA a redemption arc they ignored it.

Honestly I would go back to warhammer 2 but it seems the last update sabotaged it where the game will always crash turn 50-80 even with no mods and validated game files.

[FON]

Which tables in terms of diplomacy are bugged? Is it the deal_eval/deal_gen ones?

[fgh]

+1

without the AI mod i would have stopped playing wh3 a long time ago