Undivided Furies

[Fendelphi]

Does anyone know how to recruit Undivided Furies?

I have done a bit of searching, and so far they have only been available as a summon, or as a Gift of Chaos.
They appear to be unavailable from any recruitment buildings for any factions.

[Falaris]

They are demonic creatures.

Monogod factions are the only factions that can get demonic creatures from recruitment buildings, and they will naturally be aligned.

Warriors of chaos primarily get demonic creatures as gifts of chaos.

So... yeah, your observation is correct. You cannot 'recruit' unaligned furies other than with the 'fury of chaos' unaligned gift.

Daniel or Be'lakor is the closest you can get to someone that MIGHT summon unaligned furies, but as far as I know, they can't short of some landmark building somewhere I don't know about.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Falaris:

They are demonic creatures.

Monogod factions are the only factions that can get demonic creatures from recruitment buildings, and they will naturally be aligned.

Warriors of chas primarily get demonic creatures as gifts of chaos.

So... yeah, your observation is correct. You cannot 'recruit' unaligned furies other than with the 'fury of chaos' unaligned gift.

That is what I feared. A shame.
You used to be able to recruit them, but after CA made their monogod variations, they disappeared from all factions.

Not even Be'lakor or Daniel gets access to them with recruitment buildings, and they are supposed to be the daemonic side of undivided(Daniel used to, but as I said, it was removed when the variations were added).

[Falaris]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Originally posted by Falaris:

They are demonic creatures.

Monogod factions are the only factions that can get demonic creatures from recruitment buildings, and they will naturally be aligned.

Warriors of chas primarily get demonic creatures as gifts of chaos.

So... yeah, your observation is correct. You cannot 'recruit' unaligned furies other than with the 'fury of chaos' unaligned gift.

That is what I feared. A shame.
You used to be able to recruit them, but after CA made their monogod variations, they disappeared from all factions.

Not even Be'lakor or Daniel gets access to them with recruitment buildings, and they are supposed to be the daemonic side of undivided(Daniel used to, but as I said, it was removed when the variations were added).

Well, no, they have not disappeared. All WoC can recruit them just like they recruit other demons.

To be fair, the variants tend to be pure upgrades; there's precious little reason to recruit the unaligned ones anyway.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Falaris:

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

That is what I feared. A shame.
You used to be able to recruit them, but after CA made their monogod variations, they disappeared from all factions.

Not even Be'lakor or Daniel gets access to them with recruitment buildings, and they are supposed to be the daemonic side of undivided(Daniel used to, but as I said, it was removed when the variations were added).

Well, no, they have not disappeared. All WoC can recruit them just like they recruit other demons.

To be fair, the variants tend to be pure upgrades; there's precious little reason to recruit the unaligned ones anyway.

Only as gift of chaos though. Not from buildings. And that is the point.

For Daniel, the disappearance of the Undivided Furies is a massive nerf to his army compositions. Not only is it the only undivided daemon available(for an undivided playthrough, it was a very thematic unit), but all the Furies upgrades you have access to can buff the Undivided version, eventually making them superior to the monogod versions by a fairly big margin(including massive upkeep reductions in his own army).

And because they are not available from any recruitment buildings in any faction, you cant even make an alliance with a different faction(like WoC) to get access to them.

It makes absolutely no sense to have a unit only be available as a summon, or as "special resource unit", when it is supposed to be very common. Daniel gets access to Furies at his tier 1 settlement buildings, and undivided should be more common than the mono-versions, but because of the change, that is longer the case.

[Howell-Barrex Soldier Ja'kala]

Used to be the only kind the Daniel could recruit.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Howell-Barrex Soldier Ja'kala:

Used to be the only kind the Daniel could recruit.

Does not mean that they should remove access to undivided, especially since undivided is a core aspect of Daniel.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

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It might be disappointing from a purely thematic viewpoint.

But, other then that, if you have a god themed versions there is 0 reason to get the undivided version. They are just a worse version.

As far as i know every upgrade still upgrades all the furies, even the mono god versions.

[Fendelphi]

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

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It might be disappointing from a purely thematic viewpoint.

But, other then that, if you have a god themed versions there is 0 reason to get the undivided version. They are just a worse version.

As far as i know every upgrade still upgrades all the furies, even the mono god versions.

Not true. They only provide their buff to the respective mono-god version and Undivided. It does not cross between mono-gods.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of such issues with Daniel(an upgrade granting Frenzy to a unit that already has Frenzy, or granting Charge defense vs Large for units that already have that. Stuff like that).
But Undivided Furies were almost a defining trait of his armies, and now they are completely gone, except for a summon ability.

[AurumHawke]

Originally posted by Fendelphi:

Originally posted by Garatgh Deloi:

As far as i know every upgrade still upgrades all the furies, even the mono god versions.

Not true. They only provide their buff to the respective mono-god version and Undivided. It does not cross between mono-gods.

Last I checked, Skills buffed Undivided and Monogod (especially on the Heralds) but the Glory buffs only affected Undivided.
And since Summon units are a separate unit in the backend, they don't usually get anything that isn't any-unit.

The change was thematic, but incomplete - they should have at least kept Undivided available instead of replacing it.
Likely a mod that addresses it - or good, old and reliable DIY.

[CrUsHeR]

The big irony is that the Daemons of Chaos - aka "Chaos Undivided" - cannot recruit any of the undivided chaos units.

[Alar]

Man, old Yuri REALLY needs a glowup eh. The faction has so many issues or just lackluster things.

[Grizzly]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

The big irony is that the Daemons of Chaos - aka "Chaos Undivided" - cannot recruit any of the undivided chaos units.

yes you can you just have to play it like i think your supposed too, i turn all the chaos factions into my vassals and even after the glory upgrade you can make outposts to get the other troops, also it just makes you completely overpowered i mean decisive on players, the spawn is horrible so i rush down after taking volcanic heart. be careful with the chaos relation like a nonaggression pact with skaven it fr cost like 40k plus too fix the relation and getting rid of the issue. personally i think the daemons of chaos are the best faction in the game due to the ability to recruit the entire world in a short time, i had greenskins, purple chaos, green chaos, and some norse on turn 42, now on 70 i have all of the chaos except purple they died by dwarves. also the more vassals you have doesnt increase power rank so literally i control 20+ armies and its unbeatable. i named my character Satan and hes literally ruling over everyone, chaos will betray on alliances doing that is pointless

[CrUsHeR]

Originally posted by Grizzly:

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

The big irony is that the Daemons of Chaos - aka "Chaos Undivided" - cannot recruit any of the undivided chaos units.

yes you can you just have to play it like i think your supposed too, i turn all the chaos factions into my vassals and even after the glory upgrade you can make outposts to get the other troops

Wrong on two accounts.


1. Daemons of Chaos don't need vassals for anything, they already can recruit all of the monogod units (except Chosen or something, but no AI faction will ever get to T5)


2. My statement is that the Daemons of Chaos faction cannot recruit any - and read this one closely - Undivided Chaos Units

These are for example the Dragon Ogres or the Chaos Giant. And only available to the Warriors of Chaos.


All other units are devoted to or originate from one of the specific chaos gods.

And i believe the regular Chaos Furies are the only actual Daemon unit being Undivided. Chaos Spawn for example isn't a Daemon.

[Garatgh Deloi]

Originally posted by CrUsHeR:

1. Daemons of Chaos don't need vassals for anything, they already can recruit all of the monogod units (except Chosen or something, but no AI faction will ever get to T5)

Daemons of Chaos are missing a bit more then just chosen from the mono god rosters.

Going by the wiki and what they can use in campaign (assuming no errors) they are missing:
- Several versions of Marauders.
- Several versions of Warriors.
- All versions of Chosen.
- Almost all, but one, versions of Chaos Knights.
- Almost all, but one, versions of Marauder Horsemen.
- All versions of standard Chaos Chariots.
- And lastly Bile Trolls (for whatever reason).

Obviously i am not including lords and heroes.