What is the point of the Boyar?

[Zebulon Ecthelion]

The Druzhina seems like a wholly better general right now.

[Ashley]

The Boyar came first and is more melee oriented?

I don't care if the other lord is hybrid. If you forsake the better melee lord they really don't have a hero option to fill in. No patriarchs are not great at melee but decent only. With the amount of dumby powerful melee powerhouse lords Kislev are up against i'll take the Boyar thanks.

But granted I haven't gotten around to Kislev yet since the newest additions so what do I know. Maybe CA powercrept Boyar in melee while giving ranged. But in general i've found ranged lords to be quite unimpressive unless they give splash attacks like sisters of twilight.

[Zebulon Ecthelion]

Originally posted by Ashley:

The Boyar came first and is more melee oriented?

I don't care if the other lord is hybrid. If you forsake the better melee lord they really don't have a hero option to fill in. No patriarchs are not great at melee but decent only. With the amount of dumby powerful melee powerhouse lords Kislev are up against i'll take the Boyar thanks.

But granted I haven't gotten around to Kislev yet since the newest additions so what do I know. Maybe CA powercrept Boyar in melee while giving ranged. But in general i've found ranged lords to be quite unimpressive unless they give splash attacks like sisters of twilight.

If he's supposed to be a duelist, ice witches of ice and hag witches of death are better at sniping enemy entities. The Druzhina isn't bad at it either, considering he can fire at the entities from range and hit them with armor piercing attacks up close.

[Mazisky]

I think Boyars are a bit tankier and melee focused, better to go alongside frontlines

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

Originally posted by Ashley:

The Boyar came first and is more melee oriented?

I don't care if the other lord is hybrid. If you forsake the better melee lord they really don't have a hero option to fill in. No patriarchs are not great at melee but decent only. With the amount of dumby powerful melee powerhouse lords Kislev are up against i'll take the Boyar thanks.

But granted I haven't gotten around to Kislev yet since the newest additions so what do I know. Maybe CA powercrept Boyar in melee while giving ranged. But in general i've found ranged lords to be quite unimpressive unless they give splash attacks like sisters of twilight.

If he's supposed to be a duelist, ice witches of ice and hag witches of death are better at sniping enemy entities. The Druzhina isn't bad at it either, considering he can fire at the entities from range and hit them with armor piercing attacks up close.

So? Sniping is different than having a melee option. The melee option is there for single entity units that make it to your frontlines or units snipers may be vulnerable to. Additionally at the start of any game you can always recruit a boyar, you can’t always recruit ice witches or hags.

[Zebulon Ecthelion]

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

If he's supposed to be a duelist, ice witches of ice and hag witches of death are better at sniping enemy entities. The Druzhina isn't bad at it either, considering he can fire at the entities from range and hit them with armor piercing attacks up close.

So? Sniping is different than having a melee option. The melee option is there for single entity units that make it to your frontlines or units snipers may be vulnerable to. Additionally at the start of any game you can always recruit a boyar, you can’t always recruit ice witches or hags.

That's what a duelist is. A unit sniper.

[Aas]

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

If he's supposed to be a duelist, ice witches of ice and hag witches of death are better at sniping enemy entities. The Druzhina isn't bad at it either, considering he can fire at the entities from range and hit them with armor piercing attacks up close.

So? Sniping is different than having a melee option. The melee option is there for single entity units that make it to your frontlines or units snipers may be vulnerable to. Additionally at the start of any game you can always recruit a boyar, you can’t always recruit ice witches or hags.

Yep.
Druzhina is hybrid-ranged Lord, Boyar is true melee Lord.

I would imagine there is a difference for when a hag witch of death or a Boyar is enganded with melee Heroes/Lords etc.

[Aas]

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

Originally posted by Darklordnj:

So? Sniping is different than having a melee option. The melee option is there for single entity units that make it to your frontlines or units snipers may be vulnerable to. Additionally at the start of any game you can always recruit a boyar, you can’t always recruit ice witches or hags.

That's what a duelist is. A unit sniper.

?
No?

Try to engage a Boyar in melee with for example tyrion or skarbrand then try a hag witch of death.

I mean... To be fair... it's skarbrand or tyrion in this example ^^

[Zebulon Ecthelion]

Originally posted by Aas:

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

That's what a duelist is. A unit sniper.

?
No?

Try to engage a Boyar in melee with for example tyrion or skarbrand then try a hag witch of death.

I mean... To be fair... it's skarbrand or tyrion in this example ^^

Exactly my point. In these instances, the Boyar is useless. It's better to bring in a Ice Witch lord or caster hero with a spell that kills single entities. You don't need a "melee lord." They serve no purpose unless you just really like the idea of your lord fighting chaff in melee for some reason.

[Darklordnj]

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

Originally posted by Aas:

?
No?

Try to engage a Boyar in melee with for example tyrion or skarbrand then try a hag witch of death.

I mean... To be fair... it's skarbrand or tyrion in this example ^^

Exactly my point. In these instances, the Boyar is useless. It's better to bring in a Ice Witch lord or caster hero with a spell that kills single entities. You don't need a "melee lord." They serve no purpose unless you just really like the idea of your lord fighting chaff in melee for some reason.

Uh, re-read what they said, because they did not say anything that supported your point.

[Zeek]

https://twwstats.com/unitscards?units=f%3D0%26k%3Dwh3_dlc24_ksl_cha_druzhina%26m%26r%3D0%26v%3D7012380245429140391&units=f%3D0%26k%3Dwh3_main_ksl_cha_boyar_0%26m%26r%3D0%26v%3D7012380245429140391

The Boyar is a pure-melee based, anti-infantry lord that provides melee buffs to units. Has better melee stats than Druzhina

The Druzhina is a hybrid lord, armor piercing, that provides buffs to ranged units.

They fill different roles.

Personally I'm not a fan of hybrid ranged/melee lords. They sacrifice melee stats for non-existent ranged damage, which makes them inferior to pure melee lords that can actually do stuff in combat. So I'll still be using Boyars for my cheap Kossar and Warrior stacks as the rock that holds them together.

[jonoliveira12]

Boyar can get Bear mount, while Druzhina cannot.
By the later levels, it is a significant power difference. Bear mount is way better than Horse.

[BIG E.]

As far as singleplayer goes, i think boyar is mainly a flavor thing now.

They get a bear mount and are slightly better fighters than druzhina and have anti-infantry attacks. Druzhina is a way better commander and can replenish ammo. Druzhina can hold a line until ranged units can deal with the enemy just as well as Boyar imo.

For me i dont really see Boyars completely useless. I can see situations where i would want to quickly recruit a Boyar for a emergency battle since they are better fighters. Or if i happen to get a high level boyar through confederations i will use them since the difference isn't that massive.

However in general for longer use armies i think Druzhina kinda outclasses Boyar.

Also boyars are not really duelists. They can duel generic lords but they wont win against legendary lords and chaos melee lords of similar level.

They are mainly infantry killer and slightly better line holders compared to druzhina.

[leyasu888]

I feel every faction should always have a melee lord as an option. The player may or may not want to use them but at least the option is there.

[Ashley]

Yeah I agree with trying to have ice witches go after top tier melee lords that's silly. No thanks. Ice witch lords? Meh I can just get a hero for a hag or ice witch both. And again I cannot replace Boyar's with a hero.

As others have mentioned I find hybrid ranged/melee lords to be bad. They'll lose against actually powerhouses in melee. And their ranged is not great and very ignorable. I'm not going to go all Boyar's since I like flavor even if ranged hybrids are kinda stinky as lords.

But to say they have like no purpose? No I can't agree on that. That could potentially change depending on what units Kislev and heroes get in the future. Heroes that can do Boyar's role. But at the moment no. Boyar's are my go to for killing melees and yeah i'll have whatever single target mage spells Kislev has to back them up.

[Dagy47]

Originally posted by Naram-Sin:

What is the point of the Boyar?

you dont have to pay 25 bucks for boyar, thats pretty much it..