Katarina starting (Immortal Empires) L/VH

[c0hKaine]

Any reason (lore) for her to not start with a hero? It's bad enough there is corruption and my allies are taking attrition to beat back my own dissenting faction (what) in a rumble bowl of insanity. I'm "enjoying" it but it is still not fixed.

Why is Katarina so pathetic? Starting position as bad as Kheteps.

[BoogerPickler]

I recently ironed some clothes.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by c0hKaine:

Why is Katarina so pathetic?

She's not. You don't need a hero from turn 1. You can start recruiting patriarchs super early.

Originally posted by c0hKaine:

Starting position as bad as Kheteps.

It's about priorities. Azhag should be your primary concern once you've dealt with the starting enemy. After that, deal with Thrott, then whatever Norsca, the Chaos Wastes, and Chaos Dwarfs throw at you from the north.

[Solvem Probler]

Katarin.
Tzarina Jekaterina Bokha.

[TasmańskiZwierz]

Originally posted by Zeek:

Originally posted by c0hKaine:

It's about priorities. Azhag should be your primary concern once you've dealt with the starting enemy. After that, deal with Thrott, then whatever Norsca, the Chaos Wastes, and Chaos Dwarfs throw at you from the north.

Shouldn't it be Throt first, for setting up for early Prag confederation, and only then Azhag? Skaven are best to deal with right on the start, while Azhag wouldn't grow that much strong early on due to faceslapping contest with Ungrim.

[identity]

Originally posted by TasmańskiZwierz:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Shouldn't it be Throt first, for setting up for early Prag confederation, and only then Azhag? Skaven are best to deal with right on the start, while Azhag wouldn't grow that much strong early on due to faceslapping contest with Ungrim.

Does the AI Azhag start at war with Ungrim? Never noticed. Azhag is pretty much set up to immediately start moving into the empire lands. I never see Ungrim amount to anything in my games.

[Zeek]

Originally posted by TasmańskiZwierz:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Shouldn't it be Throt first, for setting up for early Prag confederation, and only then Azhag? Skaven are best to deal with right on the start, while Azhag wouldn't grow that much strong early on due to faceslapping contest with Ungrim.

In my experience, Thrott doesn't do anything until Kostaltyn gets destroyed by Azazel and friends, which doesn't usually happen until around turn 20-ish. Meanwhile, Azhag can and will stomp Ungrim super early (or just ignores him), and if/when he does Katarin is next on the menu.

[Nobby]

Originally posted by TasmańskiZwierz:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Shouldn't it be Throt first, for setting up for early Prag confederation, and only then Azhag? Skaven are best to deal with right on the start, while Azhag wouldn't grow that much strong early on due to faceslapping contest with Ungrim.

Normally Praag and crazy man form a buffer to keep skaven out for the time being giving you time to deal with azahg and dryad lady. Depends on luck a bit though

Once those were dealt with I smacked vlads army allowing me to peace out with him and then I took care of the skaven

[grab these bandages]

No, every Kislev faction is an autoresolve fest, if you cant play on legendary learn the game first.

[TasmańskiZwierz]

Originally posted by grab these bandages:

No, every Kislev faction is an autoresolve fest, if you cant play on legendary learn the game first.

It isn't actually, casualities among Armored Kossars ramp up to insane levels on autoresolve compared to well-executed formation fighting on manual.

Originally posted by id:

Originally posted by TasmańskiZwierz:

Shouldn't it be Throt first, for setting up for early Prag confederation, and only then Azhag? Skaven are best to deal with right on the start, while Azhag wouldn't grow that much strong early on due to faceslapping contest with Ungrim.

Does the AI Azhag start at war with Ungrim? Never noticed. Azhag is pretty much set up to immediately start moving into the empire lands. I never see Ungrim amount to anything in my games.

Ungrim keeps him busy for few dozen turns, before eventually getting stomped into ground by Greenskins ability to fast recruit large armies and Waaaaagh! mechanics. It is most noticable while playing Karaz-a-Karak - after you deal with Skarsnik and claim Mt. Gunbad (very first thing you should do to secure your borders and boost economy), you can see him and Azhag doing war dance "one step forward, one step backward" around Fallen King Mountain and Gnashrak's Lair. For most of the time they get Phyrric Victories on each other, with winners army too depleted to push further, until Azhag amass enough urks&grobi to bruteforce his way through.
At least it is so in my gameplay experience - Azhag doesn't go down from the mountains until Karak Kadrin is defeated, leaving Drycha and Von Carstein free to play with Empire. Sometimes even Drycha go as far as to declare war on Azhag, leading to interesing results (and usually loss of Fort Jakova for Katarina, unless you manage to hold there after claiming it.

[BIG E.]

Her starting position is extremely good since they changed the layout.

You clearly haven't seen her position before the updated provinces and major settlements.

Now you have a 4 settlement province with an actual major settlement at a critical point. While before you only had 3 settlement province with 3 minor settlement that you had to protect vs Azhag and Drycha.

[c0hKaine]

Originally posted by BIG E.:

Her starting position is extremely good since they changed the layout.

You clearly haven't seen her position before the updated provinces and major settlements.

Now you have a 4 settlement province with an actual major settlement at a critical point. While before you only had 3 settlement province with 3 minor settlement that you had to protect vs Azhag and Drycha.

No

[huey30]

Originally posted by TasmańskiZwierz:

Originally posted by Zeek:

Shouldn't it be Throt first, for setting up for early Prag confederation, and only then Azhag? Skaven are best to deal with right on the start, while Azhag wouldn't grow that much strong early on due to faceslapping contest with Ungrim.

Yeah Thrott is almost always the first to attack me when i play Katarina

[Ashley]

You think that's bad remember Mortal Empires Morathi?

[c0hKaine]

Originally posted by Ashley:

You think that's bad remember Mortal Empires Morathi?

I don't know this one. I think many lords have defunct starts and thus far Katarina is top of a pretty long list. I think all of Kislev's mechanics are either weak or bad. If they made a better system for the use of supporters, Katarina would be decent. But then Kostaltyn would also be better. I would say one good thing about Katarina, you get total war very fast.

[Mooselager]

The supporter race could have better mechanics & rewards involved, even more dilemmas